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Defensive homicide law to be dumped in Victoria after violent men 'allowed to get away with murder'

Gambizzle

February 7, 2017
10 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-22/vic-dumps-law-that-allowed-men-to-27get-away-with-murder27/5541670
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Title Defensive homicide law to be dumped in Victoria after violent men 'allowed to get away with murder'
Author

Gambizzle

Upvotes 10
Comments 15
Date February 7, 2017 9:38 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5skhib/defensive_homicide_law_to_be_dumped_in_victoria/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/defensive-homicide-law-to-be-dumped-in-victoria.932515
https://theredarchive.com/post/932515
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Comments

[–]ThePigmanAgain 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Darn! We were hoping only violent women would be allowed to get away with murder!"

[–]Gambizzle[S] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol pretty much ay!

As a male DV victim, I can solemly say I never hit my ex despite her belting me around the place. While it would have been super easy to harm her (and make it all go away), my actions were completely within my control.

I think laws protecting 'battered wife syndrome' are stupid! I slept for ~3 years with an eye 1/2 open because I suspected that my ex-wife would try and knock me off in my sleep. One night she did exactly that (i.e. went at my throat and chest with a knife while I slept, clearly going in for the kill).

She was convicted because I lived to tell the tale. However, she still has no remorse for her actions and blames me (despite the fact she was cheating on me, bashed me regularly, blew all our money on HUNDREDS of handbags and was never the victim of anything). I'm pretty sure that if she'd killed me, she woulda accused me of being violent (despite the fact I never acted in self defence).

Frankly, I don't think that any form of physical 'pay-back' is acceptable, let alone a homicide. If you can fathom killing somebody, you can fathom picking up the phone to the police and reporting them. IMO the only reason you wouldn't do that instead is that they never hit you.

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much.

[–]SirSkeptic 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't this happen in the UK a few years ago?

Feminist zealots set up a law specifically to allow women to kill their husbands and get away with it, then a couple of men use the law and they actually say on record: "that's not what the law was designed for."

Feminists tried to pass a law like that in South Aus in the 80s.

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]andejoh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It happened in California too, but it was mandatory arrests for domestic violence. When more women got arrested than men, the response was the Duluth model. I suspect their "reasonable" tests will be something similar so almost anytime a man uses this it will be deemed unreasonable and most of the times a woman does this it will be deemed reasonable.

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It failed to grasp the fundamental question of what's going wrong in the courts, which is we have courtroom narratives in which lawyers can belittle and blacken the names of the dead woman."

Mr Cleary said the changes were a step in the right direction.

"I still argue we need a royal commission into violence against women," he said.

"There is an underbelly of men who are not respectful of the rights of women."

Mr Clark said if a person acts in self-defence in a "genuine" and "reasonable" way, they would be entitled to be fully acquitted.

"But if their actions weren't reasonable, they'll be convicted of murder as they should be," he said.

[–]mikesteane 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The projection in this article is huge.

[–]Demonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

as under the current law the burden of proof remains on the prosecution to disprove the self-defence argument.

As it should. It's up to the State to prove why the individual needs to be removed from society, not up to the individual to prove their innocence.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's probably the only part I agree with. The reason why the burden of proof shifts is because the defendant is using an affirmative defense. Prove to me that he was abusive is a kit different from the prosecution trying to prove that he wasn't. This is a license to kill if left unchanged.

[–]Rasalom72 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So does this mean that when a women now kills her husband because he was beating her, she will go to jail?

[–]Gambizzle[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like it...

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, that just means they tweak the law until they can only charge men.

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/aMVU5

[–]Gambizzle[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting!!

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