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Legislation to clear prostitutes of criminal charges while shifting the blame to the nearest man

DavidByron2

January 13, 2017
34 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-announces-bipartisan-bicameral-legislation-clear-criminal
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Title Legislation to clear prostitutes of criminal charges while shifting the blame to the nearest man
Author

DavidByron2

Upvotes 34
Comments 36
Date January 13, 2017 7:26 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5nso9e/legislation_to_clear_prostitutes_of_criminal/
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Comments

[–]DavidByron2[S] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is all part of the move by feminists to portray all female prostitutes as victims of male oppression rather than being criminals by re-labeling prostitutes as "human trafficking victims". There's a very long history of feminists racking up anti-male prejudices with moral panic stories about how young white women are in danger of "sexual slavery" (or "white slavery" as it was called 100 years ago).

By calling them victims the crimes they commit become the fault of the nearest man -- who must be their "slave owner" I suppose. So any criminal activity they commit is the fault of their pimp. Again this exactly mirrors old Victorian and even older laws dating back to the Roman empire where women were invisible ("femme couvert") to English law and that when a woman committed a crime or incurred a debt, her husband or father or other nearest male, was to be charged with that crime or had the obligation to pay the debt instead. This extreme female privilege was even used by early British feminists to protest their cause by sending their own husbands to prison by refusing to pay the taxes they (the feminists) owed.

“We have a moral obligation to protect survivors of trafficking who were arrested or convicted for offenses that they were forced to commit,”

This is pure bullshit of course because crimes generally require mens rea, an evil mind, and accidentally committing a crime, or being forced to commit a crime means you didn't commit that crime. the very fact that the prostitutes were convicted means that the legal system already determined that they were NOT forced by someone else to commit a crime. (Rape is something of an exception since if you don't intend to commit rape you can still be convicted of raping someone -- thanks feminists!).

Note that to qualify for this law the "victim" must explicitly sign on to the feminist ideology by claiming that they had "trauma associated with being a victim of trafficking". This is also a good way to weed out male prostitutes since nobody would believe a man was "traumatised" in this way.

[–]baskandpurr 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

But that's all window dressing really, it has nothing to do with anybody being a victim. Truth is that feminists don't like men using prostitutes and want them punished for it. Male sexuality gives women power, it gets them free drinks, free rides, assistance whenever needed. They don't have very much power over a guy who will just pay for sex.

Plus, I think there is probably an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance around dating and prostitution. A date wants a guy to pay for things so that she might consider having sex with him, a prostitute agrees to have sex if you pay her. The only difference is that she gets the money but doesn't agree to provide anything in the first case.

[–]Iambecomethrowaway2 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it bothers me how tinhat this sounds, yet how true it seems to be. they're trying to classify sex robots as some flavor of rape and they even stigmatize fleshlights.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Truth is that feminists don't like men using prostitutes and want them punished for it.

To be fair: not all feminists, but certainly a big chunk of them. They're termed SWERFs, Sex Worker-Exclusionary Radical Feminists. There are some feminists who think sex work should be decriminalised, but there are also more than enough SWERFs to be a serious problem.

[–]baskandpurr 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I can concede the NAFALT thing in this case but its beside the point because these SWERFs are apparently deciding the legislation. Feminism is such a nebulous concept, often including self contradictory positions, that there's little purpose to discussing what any group taking the name believes. The common theme is that feminism benefits women at the expense of men and the problems are the practical outcomes.

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's more of a problem in the US because of the religion thing. Here in Australia the SWERFs are pretty powerless and everyone generally ignores them.

[–]mwobuddy 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

of course. If you whore your body out to companies for minimum wage, cleaning floors and doing literal crap-work, you're not a victim but an employee.

If you whore your body out to men and get tons of money while also enjoying sexual gratification, you're a victim.

[–]Apexbreed 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So why don't we stop charging the drug dealers and only go after the drug users? Same concept, right? The dealers wouldn't exist without the users creating a market.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly the point I always bring up when this idea gets floated...we don't call drug dealers victims and prosecute the users, we do exactly the opposite.

But we'll never hold women responsible for their own actions.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This bill has to do with human trafficking.

The men here who are getting blame shifted to them are human traffickers.

[–]Apexbreed 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What the authors don't realize is that when we absolve the prostitute of their crime, we can't even separate them from the their pimp, if they have one. Previously law enforcement could lock up the prostitute to protect them from the pimp and themselves. Gave them time to detox too. This law makes sure the prostitutes keep working without interruption and the pimps keep making their money.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or, it stops victims of human trafficking worrying about being prosecuted if they come forward.

"if you go to the cops, you'll be thrown in jail" isn't something the victims of crimes should be worried about.

[–]Apexbreed 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a made up concern. Cops can't arrest a prostitute for a misdemeanor crime not committed in their presence, especially when trying to get help to get out of human trafficking. Whoever told you that is lying to you. Sorry. It may have happened at some point, but everything imaginable has happened at some point as well. Anecdotes don't create rules.

I've worked human trafficking cases for off and on for nine years. No victim goes to jail when THEY come forward. When they get caught, incarceration is by far the best option FOR THEM. Or you could ask my last victim/suspect who we couldn't incarcerate because of new state laws. Oh wait, nevermind, she's dead now... Guess how and why that happened.

[–]ustael 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is often how it goes anyways. You can watch so many cop programs always busting the "John" but you will never see stings to bust whores.

[–]belly_bell 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you're off base here. This has everything to do with sex trafficking uses gender neutral language, and doesn't shift blame to anyone

[–]DavidByron2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It sometimes used gender neutral language and in other places fell back to type.

[–]belly_bell 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the descriptor it's only neutral, you're reading quotes

[–]Atheist101 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Arent human trafficking victims like the girls who are shipped to the US by gangs and mafias in Asia and Eastern Europe to work as forced prostitutes?

A voluntary American prostitute wouldnt fall under this law because she wouldnt have any ties to trafficking.

[–]DavidByron2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No they are talking about ordinary prostitutes.

Human trafficking per se doesn't exist in the West. it's like the date rape drug. An urban myth.

[–]Atheist101 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well thats not true, human trafficking in USA is very real. Most of those rub and tug places staffed by Asian women are trafficking victims who have been mostly illegally smuggled into the US to work here (to rub and tug). A bunch of them got busted up last year in New Orleans for example. I think the girls were all deported too since their papers were fake

[–]DavidByron2[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure they were. Try to find the story.

[–]Atheist101 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the one I was talking about: http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_58cb00af-2447-54cb-bb45-3628347813cc.html

That bust specifically was of foreign human smuggling because the FBI and the Immigration offices got involved.

Heres another story from an international human smuggling ring that was bust up in Lafayette, Louisiana: http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_5df8c589-4dfc-5914-907f-f312f53d2b45.html

Its mostly the Chinese mafias that run these ops. That Lafayette story had a girl say she flew in to the city from California (aka from China) the day of the raid itself. Lucky she got saved so fast.

[–]DavidByron2[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"They were well coached,” Prejean said.

So can you explain why the ten "slaves" decided to continue lying to their "rescuers" even after they were taken away from their captors and given access to translators?

[–]tothecatmobile 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ordinary prostitutes aren't victims of human trafficking.

[–]DavidByron2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree but that is what they mean by "human trafficking victims". prostitutes.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot perhaps do end up as prostitutes.

However not all prostitutes are victims of human trafficking.

[–]weri2 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually the legislation applies to men as well

Tens of thousands of men, women, and children are victims of human trafficking each year. Too often, they are charged as criminals, thrown in prison, and trailed by a criminal history the rest of their lives instead of getting the care and help they need. The Trafficking Survivors Relief Act will empower human trafficking victims to escape the chains of their past and move forward with their lives

[–]DavidByron2[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Way to miss the point.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I recently went to a massage parlor, got naked with a sweet, beautiful East Indian woman, gave her 3 separate orgasms, gave her a $100 and gave the Spa $30 (50% off weekend promotion in room fee). We then a had a long and fun conversation, she was a lovely person and one of the nicest people I've met (I wasn't charged for the convo, we just enjoyed talking to each other). The Spa is just a part time job, she has regular life, this was a real fucking human ,with her own thoughts, passions, beliefs, ect..., not some goddamn feminist designed cliche.

And you know what do else, do you notice how antisex work feminists never seem notice or give a shit about male prostitutes and female Johns, they love to pretend that these people don't exist, it helps fuck up their narrative, but it gets really stupid when someone like PM Justin Trudeau says prostitution is inheriant violence against women. It's like so gay male prostitution is violence of women? WTF? So a woman paying a man is still violence against women or is it violence against men?

I could continue but I made my point. These assholes don't give ashit about these women, they use them as pawns in gender warfare. This women deserve better. The men deserve better too. I'm tired of both sex workers and clients used as pawns and turned into charictures by idiotic dickheads,largely for their own profit. The rescue industry is big business.

[–]Luchadorgreen 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where was that? I'm asking for science.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just because your hooker was of East Indian descent doesn't mean she was a trafficking victim. Human trafficking, despite what DavidByron seems to believe, is a real problem in the West. But most hookers over age 18 do not meet the criteria to have their criminal records expunged under this proposed legislation.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

She was of East Indian descent, but born and raised in Canada. Really fun to talk to, amoung other things. But yeah I never suggested she was trafficked.

Look I hate the term human trafficking, because it's specifically designed to be manipulative. At times I've seen all migratory sex workers, not just rape slaves, called human trafficking, I've seen human trafficking used as a, synonim for prostitution including consentual stuff ect...,

[–]ThatNinaGAL 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd be perfectly fine calling it something else, so long as we don't start pretending it doesn't happen. They busted one of those rub-and-tug places in my town last year - it was straight-up trafficking. Girls couldn't speak English and hadn't been learning, weren't allowed to leave the premises, identifying documents had been taken from them, etc. They don't deserve to have criminal records, although they are technically guilty of several serious crimes (it was a drug place too).

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a Spa Owner I know said, bad apples, innocent Rub and Tugs should be punished for guilty ones, anymore then the textile industry should be shut down as a whole because of some sweat shops. I personally call the bad shit rape slavery if anyone is forced into it against their will, instead of human trafficking, which also often includes migrants who do not work in the sex trade at all (sex workers are exactly only a small fraction of the human "trafficking" business).

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/dpwhD

[–]Satansyngel 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just wear a body camera then it's pornography protected by the 1st amendment.

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