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Julian Assange says texts show he is 'entirely innocent' of rape;

scanspeak

December 7, 2016
216 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes-public-on-rape-allegations/8099276
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Title Julian Assange says texts show he is 'entirely innocent' of rape;
Author

scanspeak

Upvotes 216
Comments 35
Date December 7, 2016 9:32 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5h2p74/julian_assange_says_texts_show_he_is_entirely/
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Comments

[–]omegaphallic 40 points41 points42 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Apparently proving one's innocence is violating someone in the media. When will this kind of horse shit stopped.

[–]Lethn 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When these media organisations either go bankrupt or finally become irrelevant.

[–]mochacola 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It takes more than that. The cult is still being preached in colleges where indoctrinated kids are then released into the wild to work in other areas. Colleges need to get rid of courses that had been proven to be horseshit.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That stuff will start going by itself as we've seen now that the left is no longer in charge and can threaten administrations who don't go along with them. It's just going to be down to the students now to say they don't want anything to do with that garbage.

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[–]EricAllonde 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In fairness, public media is not an appropriate venue to disclose evidence because it cannot effectively be cross-examined by the other party.

From another story, in the Guardian:

The release of the statement was expected to prompt dismay in Sweden, where prosecutors’ desire for personal aspects of the case to remain confidential has led them to deny Assange access to evidence against him because of the risk that it might become public.

Given that the prosecution is violating due process by refusing to show the accused the evidence against him, and they're being allowed to get away with it, seems like the deck is stacked against Assange and going to the media is one of very few options open to him.

[–]splodgenessabounds 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the prosecution is violating due process by refusing to show the accused the evidence against him

I think I'm right in saying this has been the case for some time.

It's also salutory to cast one's mind back several years, back to when Teh Grauniad had strong links with Wikileaks, and see how differently it treated Assange. Nowadays, he's a dissembling RAPIST!!1! and a selfish misogynist.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Now there's cognitive dissonance for you. They're denying him due process by claiming that he would publicly release the alleged evidence of his guilt?

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you surprised? It's the logical next step after anonymity for accusers: a complete lockdown on all information about a case, including not giving details of the accusations to the accused.

Stands to reason that Sweden would be first with a misandrist idea like this, but other countries will follow suit in time.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but I was not expressing surprise that violating human rights that had developed over thousands of years of Western justice invariable leads to abuses of power by the government. I was pointing out how glaringly idiotic their excuses are.

[–]MisterDamage 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In fairness, public media is not an appropriate venue to disclose evidence because it cannot effectively be cross-examined by the other party.

The accusations against him have been widely disseminated in public. It's hardly unfair for him to protest his innocence or to point to evidence responsive to the accusations against him

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good points.

[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If Obama (or Trump) granted Assange a pardon in prospect, then Assange would have no reason not to go to Sweden to face prosecution in the usual way.

Obama can pardon a rapist /s

[–]electricalnoise 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kinda interesting how they never mention how he's not been seen or heard in over a month now, and is likely in a cage somewhere.

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[–]EricAllonde 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am surprised they did not try to get in an underage girl or two so they could label him a child rapist.

They only got around to doing that a couple of months ago:

Did Ecuador Cut Off Julian Assange's Internet Access Over a Pedophilia Investigation?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly he's either dead or in the custody of the CIA

[–]EgoandDesire 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Does this count as mens rights? The false accusation came from the government, and I think one of the women he slept with even defended him.

[–]TejrnarG 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I would say it is close enough to give it a place here. It is a man possibly falsely accused of rape. It doesn't matter too much where the accusations came from, and weather or not one of the women is defending him.

Also: Because it is a very prominent case, it gets more media coverage. If it turns out he really is inocent, it could really blow up and raise awareness about the bias towards men in such cases.

Finally: Even if it turned out that the prosecution was entirely politically motivated, him being a Nr1 enemy of some of the most powerfull governments, then it is still a textbook example of why current laws of rape accusations (and others), are very dangerous. They can too easilly be abused. An accusation is already devastating for a man, no matter if it turns out to be false. It has nothing to do with "innocent until proven guilty", which our justice system once held as their standards.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't his rape the result of lying about birth control?

I'd really like to see even a single woman charged for rape over that...

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

As far as I could ever understand the accusation, the alleged rape was the result of a condom failure. No lying was ever involved. He had merely stated that he did not like condoms at an earlier time. Of course, as it turned out, the alleged broken condom which was put into evidence did not even have his DNA on it. Then there was the other matter of one of the girls being "half asleep" when he initiated consensual sex with her. Apparently in Sweeden it is rape if you convince someone to have sex instead of going to sleep. This is what he's being accused of by the current prosecutor after the first prosecutor dropped the whole thing due to lack of evidence. It is one of the most flaccid rape accusations I have ever heard of.

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And as I understand it, neither of the women actually wants to press rape charges against Assange. The prosecutor is doing it against their wishes.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This part really doesn't matter. The fact that there was never any evidence is what matters.

[–]TejrnarG 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I also expect that Assange stops violating my client in the media," she said.

"She has suffered enough."

So what exactly have feelings got to do with it? The point is to find out the truth!

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/XjAYU

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[–]runean 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait what lmao

Please go on, I need to hear this

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wikileaks is compromised. Assange is painted in to an embassy corner, and is now a pawn of the FSB.

[–]EgoandDesire 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey you realize both the NYPD and FBI determined there was zero connection between the DNC hacks and Russia, right? Source Someone forgot to update your shill software, I guess.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0

[–]EgoandDesire 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, Obama is a scumbag. What else is new

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is Obama a scumbag?

[–]dresden_k 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]DrDarkMD -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well in that case Julian, you better get to court and show them to the text message.

There is a reason trials aren’t held in the media, fucking asshat.

[–]TejrnarG 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are a common joe, then yes, I would agree. But he is not. He pulled down the pants of some of the most powerful governments in the world. Do you really think he would get a fair trial?

When things get dicey, then sometimes raising awareness is the only thing you have left.

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