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The Misogyny And Insecurity Of Men's Rights Activism

JestyerAverageJoe

September 30, 2016
16 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.feminisminindia.com/2016/09/30/misogyny-deception-mens-rights-activism/
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Title The Misogyny And Insecurity Of Men's Rights Activism
Author

JestyerAverageJoe

Upvotes 16
Comments 27
Date September 30, 2016 5:23 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/558zxw/the_misogyny_and_insecurity_of_mens_rights/
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Comments

[–]IvanDagomilov 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been a long time since I've read anything this deranged. It's a new record.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Make a comparison between the posts on feminist pages and the ones on MRA pages anyday. You will easily find out who’s raising genuine issues and who’s promoting hatred.

I agree, to some extent. I mean, it depends on the "pages", some focus on more serious things and some focus on more frivolous things. But if you take the aggregate, then I do agree that it's very easy to tell that in general, the MRM talks about real, concrete issues such as the disparity in prison sentencing, infant genital mutilation, bias in divorce and custody proceedings, etc, and feminists' big talking points are largely divisive nonsense like manspreading or manipulative misrepresentations such as the wage gap...

...wait, that's not the conclusion she wanted me to come to, is it?

MRAs confuse the term ‘equality’ with ‘similarity’, and say that men and women can never be equal since they are biologically different. They accuse feminists of having moral bias. They need to be told that feminism doesn’t give women the privilege card to get away with their crimes, unlike patriarchy that lets a rapist go with an easy 3 months imprisonment because anything more than that would be “too much”.

That's more than a lot of female rapists get. But she is right, it's not necessarily feminism that gives women the privilege to get away with their crimes, people are generally wired to be more pro-female, that's not feminism's doing - but feminism certainly is helping it with their constant push to absolve women of all responsibility and even suggesting getting rid of prison for women.

[–]LeJacquelope 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism is at fault because of their utter neglect of women who rape. They actually push the narrative that women cannot rape - for instance Mary P Koss. Their hypocrisy in not protesting when women get away with rape makes them highly culpable. After all, remember they tell men to tell other men not to rape... but they're not willing to even recognize that women rape.

Some feminists even say that women who rape boys shouldn't go to jail. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/29/barbara-ellen-madeleine-martin-comment

Others shamelessly say that the boys who are raped by women actually asked for it. http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/he-says-he-said-no-to-sex-now-says-no-to-child-support/1183449

Still others say we shouldn't believe male victims when they say they're raped. In this sense they are culpable in every possible sense of the word. http://www.feministcurrent.com/2014/12/15/why-are-we-supposed-to-believe-shia-labeouf/

Their culpability even hurts women. Rape is reported in 30% of lesbian relationships. http://pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

This is not considered part of rape culture, and why? Because it ruins their "toxic masculinity" narrative. If men raping women is a product of toxic masculinity, then what is woman raping women a sign of? The feminist veil of silence over this is as strong as the police blue wall.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, feminism definitely contributes to it, I'm not saying it doesn't. I am saying that I do not believe that it's the only factor, that before feminism, women still faced less punishment than men for crime. The author appears to indicate that MRAs believe that feminism created that situation (although, of course the author herself doesn't believe that it's real, she thinks men are the ones getting away with crime), which I am saying that I, at least, do not think that is the case.

[–]fengpi 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They fail to understand that claiming your rights doesn’t mean marginalisation and taking away of the rights of the other group.

Right, so demanding women-only spaces while demanding the forcible-integration of men-only spaces is merely claiming one's rights rather than demanding greater freedom of association. So demanding that men in the dock for crimes against women not be presumed innocent (because victims never lie and never make mistakes) is merely claiming one's rights rather than demanding that men's rights to due process be reduced. So demanding that criticisms of feminist theory be banned as "hate speech" while public readings of Mary Daly wherein she echoes Der Sturmer-like propaganda against men should be allowed unabated is merely claiming one's rights rather than claiming special dispensation, etc.

"Equal rights"? How quaint. Feminism pushed that old-fashioned pendulum way past its center point and is now welding it against the far wall.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow...

I think some of my braincells commited sepuku reading that.

Are people out there really that fucking deluded?

This isn't normal stupidity.

This is ADVANCED stupidity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Advanced stupidity is nothing compared to this shit.

[–]Rasalom72 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

lol.. scroll to the bottom for all the background you need on the author..

"She is currently pursuing her masters in Gender Studies. She likes to read, write, and dismantle patriarchy." I rofled...

Of course she is. Because of the patriarchy, she can study useless crap like gender studies and not be labeled a parasite (by most of society). I LONG for the day when there is no patriarchy to protect these women...

I will enjoy watching the world burn.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe[S] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

After she finishes her Gender Studies degree maybe she can teach us why there aren't more women in STEM fields!

[–]Rasalom72 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because the patriarchy is keeping them down... duh!

[–]JestyerAverageJoe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The patriarchy holds down 1 out of every 4 womxnkin.

[–]Sasha_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL...Let's be honest, how much training do you need to be asking "Do you want fri's with that?"

[–]Allevil669 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More training than you got... It's spelled "fries".

/s

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hadn't heard of the "Mens rights association of America" before. If you check it out on Facebook... it's a feminism page. Lots of pictures of "women are beautiful even if massively obese". And a comment saying that the "hate page" of the same name was banned from facebook.

Wow...

[–]JestyerAverageJoe[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did they possibly get it banned and then recreate it? Or is the author that stupid/malicious?

[–]trampson 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You really need to ask if a feminist ideologue is stupid/malicious? Classic hit piece.

[–]trampson 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no denying the fact that patriarchy affects men too.

One sentence in, and I'm out.

Let's check this woman's credentials...

Hira Naaz is a graduate in English Literature from Delhi University. She is currently pursuing her masters in Gender Studies. She likes to read, write, and dismantle patriarchy.

I'm starting to wonder if these degrees could be designated as child abuse.

[–]roharareddit 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Standard feminist operating procedure. Lie. Make it a big lie and keep on telling it till enough stupid and or ill informed people believe it.

[–]MagicTampon 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Lupinfujiko 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The comments in this thread make me happy, and finally restore some of my faith in humanity.

[–]SRSLovesGawker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The timing of this is interesting, given the movie that's coming soon.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Red Pill?

[–]SRSLovesGawker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. There may be a bit of anxiety in some quarters, depending on how tuned-in / paranoid they are about us.

Also, am I the only one slightly annoyed by the name? As if there wasn't enough hassle separating MRA from red pill/pua people as it is...

[–]Faryshta 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

clickbait, please use archive.is and submit it again

[–]bbshabob -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting how MR activism back in the 1800 used to be about oppressing women and now it's about gaining equality for men

where as Feminism used to about womens liberation and now it's about oppressing men

[–]AloysiusC 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you read that on the back of a juice box?

[–]bbshabob -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No

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