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Woman walks free after killing boyfriend by stabbing him in back. Naturally being an ice addict (so was she apparently), he deserved to die. Talk about blaming the victim!

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April 29, 2016
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/boating-tragedy-mum-who-killed-ice-addict-lover-walks-free-20160429-gohv76.html
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Title Woman walks free after killing boyfriend by stabbing him in back. Naturally being an ice addict (so was she apparently), he deserved to die. Talk about blaming the victim!
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Date April 29, 2016 7:26 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Justice Forrest said McLaughlin's case was an unusual one which demanded a measure of leniency.

unusual = she is a woman
leniency = avoids any punishment at all

And it's amazing the extent to which this article, and the other one linked, goes into great depths events that happened years earlier, while basically providing ZERO insight into the life of the person who was killed, the victim. Imagine if the genders were reversed, and background to the man would be ignored while the female victim, and all those who cared about her, would be the prominent focus.

Disgusting.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I thought I had suddenly started reading another article. WTF. What about the man she murdered? Where is his story?

[–]intensely_human[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mitch had been troubled since the loss of his daughter in a 2009 car crash. His business ventures had recently fallen apart, and he was under enormous stress, seeing the various elements of his life fall apart.

Denise was stabbed in the back with a piece of broken glass. The wound was 14 centimeters deep and struck an artery. Denise was addicted to heroin, and she'd been giving heroin to Mitch too.

Mitch's relationship with this family had been rocky following the death of his daughter, Marie. Marie was eight years old at the time of the crash, and was carried away from the road by EMTs and succumbed to her wounds on the way to the hospital.

According to police reports at the time Mitch had been taking his daughter Marie to band practice when a semi plowed into the car.

Denise and Mitch had been doing heroin together for about a year when she seems to have died somehow.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opinions/hillary-clinton-women-and-mass-incarceration-crisis/index.html

Its okay to kill a male addict. Its deplorable to even jail a female addict.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article is the Empathy Gap and propaganda machine in full display. In a couple of hundred years time historians will be amazed looking back at this attitude.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chivalry is demented sexist shit that needs to be razed from the face of the planet.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chivalry is demented sexist shit that needs to be razed from the face of the planet.

[–]babno -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Read the article. She had served 1.5 years already, and the boyfriend was allegedly abusive. Allegedly he beat/kicked her to the ground, turned around, and she got up and stabbed him causing him to die. PTSD from her son dying is also a valid mitigating factor.

[–]bufedad 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PTSD from her son dying is also a valid mitigating factor.

Mitigating? Yes. Excusing? No.

You don't just murder people and walk away with a slap on the wrist.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Even in pretty lenient Canada, murder is a 25 year sentence. We reduce it to manslaughter if it is found that there was provocation worthy enough to justify the drop in charge, but that would reduce her prison sentence to a minimum of 5 years. She's out with less than 1/3 of our minimum sentence, even if he did beat her, and I live in one of the most liberal of liberal democracies.

Compare this case to a case in the US where a woman drove over to her ex-husband's home with a loaded pistol in her car. She claimed he was abusive, too, and had been for years. She entered his home, they argued, she left in the heat of the argument and got her pistol, then returned to the home and fired "warning shots" at him that went into the wall. This all happened in front of their shared kids. The fact she left the scene to retrieve the weapon, and could have easily left, nullified her claim to self defense. She was sentenced to decades in prison.

So, when he's walking away in this case, she had literally no other option than to stab him in the back with a sharp implement? Self defense typically needs a belief that you're in dire danger and no ready option to leave.

And the PTSD claim? Her son had died in 2008. The murder was in 2014. How many years have to pass before we start holding the person accountable for their choices? Can she go the rest of her life using PTSD over her son's death as her excuse for poor behaviour?

[–]babno 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The beating thing I mentioned because OP claimed people think he deserved it cause meth. Never said ptsd is an excuse, only a mitigating factor.

Tldr: we must weigh all components and not put up outrageous false titles. She probably should have gotten a longer sentence, but there are far greater miscarriages of justice out there and this maybe rates a 3 out of 10 on that scale.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The title is inflammatory, yes, but even with the mitigating factors she's still ultimately only getting 1.5 yrs in jail for intentionally killing someone. Even Criminal negligence causing death in Canada is a 4 yr minimum sentence, with a max of 25, and that's wholly unintentional death.

Flip the genders. If some male drug addict was getting beaten daily by his 20 year junior partner, who was also a drug addict, and he finally popped and stabbed her and killed her from behind ... would the state be content with 1.5 years? Would anyone care about the child's death from six years ago? Would it be used as an excuse to mitigate the behaviour?

We actively seek out rationales to excuse negative female behaviour.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess we should just take her word for it. It's not like we can ask him.

[–]babno 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hence my careful use of the word alleged. We don't need to rely on just her word though, there may be physical evidence or records or third party witnesses. But we don't know if any of those were brought before the court.

[–]ayumuuu 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I mean most of the time I'm willing to take up my torch and pitchfork with the rest of you guys when I see inequality, but other than the extremely slanted article, it could be argued she feared for her life, and if it's true that HE is the one who initiated the violence, I can totally see her being released.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"It could be argued", if you were her defense lawyer. The official story is that he was stabbed in the back as he walking away. Whether or not he actually hit her is a different matter. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but it's not self-defense if they're walking away. At least not if you are a man.

[–]ayumuuu -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I would not be horrified if her allegations were true and he did beat her then walk away, and then she killed him. Nor would I be horrified if it happened the other way around. When you get stuck in an abusive relationship it's really hard to see a way out that doesn't involve one of you killing the other.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough, but do you believe the victim in this case would have received an equally lenient sentence, had the tables been turned?

[–]ayumuuu 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh no, absolutely not. They would have crucified him because a woman abusing a male is a joke in the courts, not a serious crime.

It's a sliding scale. There's too strict, just, and too lenient, and this is a case of a woman receiving what I would consider a just sentence, rather than too lenient, although in the same situation a man would receive too strict of a punishment.

[–]nimbusdimbus -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who's to say he wasn't going to come back and continue the abuse? She could have feared for her life.

[–]intensely_human[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if he feared for his life. Probably should have given that it ended as a direct result of being in this relationship.

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