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25 facts about gender: "5/25. On average, around the world, girls and women spend 90% of their earned income on their family. Men spend 30-40%."

Lrellok

April 28, 2016
9 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.knowable.com/a/25-unusual-facts-that-will-change-the-way-you-view-men-and-women?utm_content=inf_10_3136_2&tse_id=INF_14fce26bfe64432ab37ff782b4e9ec33
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Title 25 facts about gender: "5/25. On average, around the world, girls and women spend 90% of their earned income on their family. Men spend 30-40%."
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Lrellok

Upvotes 9
Comments 18
Date April 28, 2016 8:45 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4gw0t1/25_facts_about_gender_525_on_average_around_the/
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/119lty/but_educating_boys_is_dumb_right_because/

All the reports and articles in this thread (Nike Foundation, OECD, UN) have as their source for this 'statistic' a 2003 report in the Yale Daily News by Chris Fortson, who's reporting on a speech given at Yale by academic Isabel Coleman. She is alleged to have said that 'studies show girls give 90% of their income to their families, while boys give just 30%-40%'.

I just emailed Isabel a couple of hours ago, and she's replied that she was misquoted, and the statistic is untrue.

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you write her response to you and give a correction to the data from her perspective of she gave it?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

User Sasha_, who did the fact check three years ago, in in this thread now.

Here's the short email exchange where Coleman states that she was misquoted.

The relevant stuff in both of these threads is hard to find. Woozle chasing leads to deep comment threads with anything interesting buried at the bottom of a pile of junk infographics referencing other junk infographics as sources. I reposted at the top level to give it a slightly better chance of being found, but you'll still have to do a bit of digging. Short answer: ctrl-F Sasha_.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously false statistic. I'm not sure how you could even calculate those numbers but that's super obviously bullshit.

No source for this shit of course, but we can assume it's some feminist hate group or another.

[–]ghebert001 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if they're counting spending on food and shelter as "for the family"?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Archive this shit.

Not that I've been able to find a better source for how that 90% number was arrived at. It's being quoted all over the place by various foundations, You-Go-Girl charities, and propounders of female moral superiority, often with that cut-and-paste junk DNA - "their earned income", when "their income" would suffice for an actual writer who was summarizing actual evidence.

Is this as well founded as the much-repeated fact that women are half the world’s population, working two-thirds of the world’s working hours, receiving 10% of the world’s income, owning less than 1% of the world’s property.?

Does the average female intern cutting-and-pasting this garbage into today's clickbait ("we've looked at the data, and what we found will shock you") stop and compare these numbers with her own life or that of any woman or man she knows? If she's a typical intern, there's a pretty good chance that 90% of her living expenses are paid by her dad - thanks dad!

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

One other web site I found it on credited this as the source, although so far as I can see it doesn't have a figure for men to compare with women.

http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/ourmeetings/PDF/actionareas/Why_Invest_in_Adolescent_Girls.pdf

Ah here's a better source for it from "UNAC" I guess, some Canadian women's group. Of course it suggests very vague other places (four huge organizations) as it's source, making it impossible to check their sources.

"Sources: United Nations, UNICEF, World Bank and Status of Women Canada"

http://unac.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/International-Day-of-the-Girl-Eng-Final.pdf

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's cited as a source, but all the "source" amounts to is a promotional PDF that repeats the 90% claim without further evidence in one of its bullet points - "When women and girls earn income, they reinvest 90 percent of it into their families."

EDIT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/119lty/but_educating_boys_is_dumb_right_because/

I swear it seems this number is made up. The Yale Daily News article doesn't provide a source.

The number is cited by the UN Girl's Education Initiative (ungei.org) report Because I am a Girl (2009) on page 9, citing the Nike Foundation.

The Nike Foundation runs The Girl Effect. They have an faq which repeats the 90% reinvestment statistic which cites the original Chris Fortson, "Women's Rights Vital for Developing World"., Yale News Daily 2003 source


All the reports and articles in this thread (Nike Foundation, OECD, UN) have as their source for this 'statistic' a 2003 report in the Yale Daily News by Christ Fortson, who's reporting on a speech given at Yale by academic Isabel Coleman. She is alleged to have said that 'studies show girls give 90% of their income to their families, while boys give just 30%-40%'.

I just emailed Isabel a couple of hours ago, and she's replied that she was misquoted, and the statistic is untrue.


I don't know about 'claim' - to be quite honest I'm bewildered what's so difficult about refuting this statistic. I simply googled 'Isabel Coleman', up came her bio page at the US Council for Foreign Relations, I wrote her a polite email and she replied a few minutes later. I think sometimes everyone's in the habit of making simple things more difficult than they are. If you don't know something; ask.

I asked: "In a 2003 article by Chris Fortson in the Yale Daily News, (http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2003/feb/14/womens-rights-vital-for-developing-world/ on a speech you gave at Yale, it says “Coleman referred to a study that showed while women spend 90 percent of their income on their family, men put only 30 to 40 percent of their earnings toward theirs”. I wonder if you’d be able to let me know the source for this statistic? Yours sincerely..."

And she replied: "Thanks for asking - it’s a misquote. That is not what the study said".

That's all she said. In terms of research effort, it took no more than five minutes. The Intel poster and all the reports from the OECD, UN, Nike Foundation etc. quote a statistic whose author says she was misquoted.

Calling /u/Sasha_ - can you confirm that?

I mean, you're just some guy on Reddit who says he's emailed somebody who's been quoted in an article from 12 years ago, but amid all these woozles you're the closest anyone has come to a confirmable or falsifiable source.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hello!

Gosh, that was a good few years ago! But yes that brings it all back. It was my first comment on Reddit - and it's absolutely accurate.

In my 'real world' job I write speeches/presentations for - ahem - very high-profile figures (my email address contains a 'gov' and an 'org' - and while I'm just a cog in the wheel, they ignore my emails at their perill). These speeches contain facts, and my clients ask me on a daily basis: "if I get asked, what's the source?"

So you see, for me this is perfectly normal; I check facts every hour of the day, and they always answer me, because they know the next step from me is for me to toss it to the analysis team - and they'll have your boss pulled out of a restaurant or theatre to answer a call.

I know this sounds bizzare, but you have to remember that the people I work for sometimes give 10-15 speeches A DAY. We don't have time to mess around - I have two interns who simply track down sources and get written verifications. We call it 'challenge testing'.

So my point is, I know it seems odd, but for me it's perfectly normal - if you want to know something you go to the source.

And don't get me started on global warming, crime and immigration...I could talk for hours on the wozzles around those subjects.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it's hate speech. Like saying Jews eat Christian babies or something.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

First, we are in the developed world, so those are the figures i am interested in. Second, could it be that in the third world women make less money than men, hence providing for a family takes a greater proportion of her income?

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, the statistic is quite simply not true.

[–]Blarty97 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But if, as is frequently suggested, men earn more, does that not mean that men still spend more on their family?

[–]Lrellok[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

its more that the only way you could reach those percentages is to count womens food, clothing and shelter as "Family" and no count mens.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

or perhaps count all of women's expenditures as for the family. And count father's 'child support' as the only family expenditure - that would meet the percentages if we only included single mother households in the studies...

[–]subvolt 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More than likely they looked at men's and women's spending habits. Women do all or majority of the shopping buying food, clothing, etc. While men would buy inessentials for themselves like cigarettes, coffee, lunch. Therefore showing the discrepancy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the funniest thing from that is that there were so many examples of women doing what was for men originally then men finding something else. basically shows what ive been saying. women cant find or cultivate their own hobbies, they just invade male spaces,ruin them, the men leave and find something new and then they complain again and invade

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

did she use one feminist theorist theory that gender is a social construction as fact? lol. wow

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