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Lesbian, 42, fondled drunk 15-year-old schoolgirl in tent, jailed for 32 months. Compare media & cultural silence when a man does something remotely similar, like the male footballer recently charged-even though the crime and the age gap is LESS.

Rethgil

March 8, 2016
159 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481721/Middle-aged-lesbian-fondled-drunk-15-year-old-schoolgirl-tent-jailed-32-months.html
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Title Lesbian, 42, fondled drunk 15-year-old schoolgirl in tent, jailed for 32 months. Compare media & cultural silence when a man does something remotely similar, like the male footballer recently charged-even though the crime and the age gap is LESS.
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Rethgil

Upvotes 159
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Date March 8, 2016 8:13 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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"A mum who had sex with her 15-year-old son because he seduced her has avoided jail." "HE seduced HER"- so now a CHILD is to blame for his FIFTY year old mother raping HIM?? Because he is male? Can you BELIEVE the double standards boys & males now face??!!

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Yes! Friends star David Schwimmer slams #MeToo 'We shouldnt conflate all claims-What concerns me is the disregard of facts, context & evidence. In this climate, condemnation is merciless. This is why the ‘witch hunt’ phrase is used'

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Two women murder young male "because it was something they'd always wanted to try doing". As usual, news reports keep it off the front page, and bury it in sub sections. Imagine the reporting if the genders were reversed?

2263 upvotes
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Male politician labelled 'pervert' in national paper-Because he disagreed with feminists who demand a new law SPECIFICALLY giving automatic prison sentences for men taking 'Upskirting' photos. Today, they hung panties on his home "to shame him". The reality of free speech under feminism

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National crisis-Free tests for biggest killer of men, Prostate cancer, are being scrapped to 'save government money'. Imagine the outcry if they scrapped tests for breast cancer for women instead?! THIS is the REAL 'Equality gap'.

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The Green party officially announces a huge change, tells people "DON'T give any money to charity or men anymore-give it ONLY to WOMEN instead". Can we now admit the modern Left are the worst man haters & feminists? And I write this as a shocked & stunned Left winger.

1787 upvotes
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Feminist favourite, Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, learns the hard way that-even if youre a White Knight-somewhere, somehow, there'll always be an offended feminist who can take you down, as he's accused of 'groping'. Ahhh, the irony.....

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Woman steals $2,000 from man but its 'funny' because she is a feminist & according to this website 'it serves him right for coming on to her'

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[–]Rethgil[S] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And many social networks have petitions against the man calling him a PAEDOPHILE as the BBC refers to the accuser as 'a child' though BOTH people in both cases were the same age. Meanwhile the only reports I can find about the lesbian abusing a drunk girl don't refer to her as a child. And there's no social media petitions to prevent her ever working after her sentence.

[–]mwobuddy 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. The feminists raised the age of consent from 12 in the early 1900s due to pregnancy and guys "getting away with it".

The age of consent hovers around 16-18 in many of the more puritanistic western countries.

A guy who is around 28-40 or older and fucks an 18-20 year old is called a legal pedophile.

This has been a continuing them of raising that bar and that insult with feminists and media since the early 90s. Bill Clinton wasn't called a legal pedophile when he fucked Monica. It was seen as inappropriate due to positions, but not age. Monica doesn't even refer to herself as a victim of predatory behavior or a pedophile.

Today, anyone having sex with a teen whether legal or not is called a pedophile, if its a man. The idea being to shame men away from competition that older women have to deal with.

[–]evolutionof 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The misuse of the word "pedophile" will only remove meaning from the word and not cause as much disgust. Now that a 22 year old that sleeps with a 17 year old is a "pedophile", what do we call a 45 year old that finds 8 year olds attractive?

[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ultra pedo.

[–]evolutionof 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it is like the word "racist"; at this point i can't even believe that david duke is racist without doing research because the word has become so misused. After that research i might need to refer to him as an "ultra racist".

[–]RobDog101 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you talking about Adam Johnson? Man that girl legitimately was lucky. Why the fuck can't we just accept that 15-year-olds are sexual creatures? Maybe because most people (in the first world) are ashamed about feeling attraction to them? It's a case of the ladies protesting too much, methinks.

Meanwhile I rarely go for anyone younger than 30 and I have no problem admitting that it's nearly always been nearly universally normative—and healthy—for 15-year-olds to be sexually active even with older adults. Again, it's not my cup of tea, but frankly that makes me the weirdo, and I'm fine with that.

I completely blame spineless parents who are squeamish about talking to their children about sex and need the state to basically do their parenting for them when it comes to protecting their brats from sexual experiences that they (the parents) don't like, by insituting ridiculously draconian punishments for completely natural behavior. Now I don't know much about the case in quesrion here, but with Johnson there is no question that it was not just consensual but a dream come true for the so-called victim, even after it happened—at least until she got in trouble. Because yeah, "protecting" fifteen year olds by telling them they're victims of rape and making them feel even shittier about what they did than they would if you called them dumb sluts is an awesome idea.

[–]mwobuddy 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck can't we just accept that 15-year-olds are sexual creatures?

If they say they enjoyed it, and they say they know about sex, they've been coached, groomed, manipulated, and therefore can't be trusted to tell the truth.

if they cry on the stand about how horrible it was for them, that's when they're telling the truth.

That's the thought process of people involved in discussions like that.

I've been to high school parties where girls walked around naked, and everyone was drinking, girls who were less naked flashed their tits, and people routinely paired off. One girl got praised for "getting some" because she blew a guy.

Yet due to being underage, and especially due to alcohol, everyone there, by the terms of the SJWs in both MRA and Feminist subs, considers all of that to have been rape, despite the fact that we all went back for more.

You will notice that no one touches on the real issues. A teen can molest or rape someone else, in the true sense of those words, just as much as an older person. A teen can manipulate and coerce, just as much as an older person. A teen can have sex with a willing partner, just as much as an older person.

Only in the cases of it being an older person, across the board, do people find it abhorrent and "rape".

In this scenario with alcohol, I'm going to say my experiences tell me that it was probably a bit pressured.

X meets Y. X is sexually attracted to Y and Y is sexually attracted to X.

X starts talking to them, and becomes more sexual over time. Y responds positively, and tells X to meet them. X and Y have sex.

If X and Y are 15-16, no problem.

If X is older and female, and Y is male, X receives probation or less in punishment for breaking sex laws, provided there is no evidence of force = rape.

If X is older and female, and Y is female, X receives some prison time.

If X is older and male, and Y is male or female, X receives a comparative fuckton of prison time, and is called a pedophile and harassed in the media.

You will notice that in all these hypothetical situations, both X and Y were sexually attracted to each other and wanted to fuck. My Body, My Choice, except when the female is younger, then My body, No Choice.

Its just female hypoagency mascarading as moral superiority.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11794721/Teen-girls-sexually-crave-older-partners-an-uncomfortable-truth.html

This woman is using a bit of hyperbole. People are individuals. Some do. Some teen guys do. Some don't.

To be absolutely clear: I do not tolerate any manipulative behavior of either gender to either other gender, although it is legal for 15 year olds to manipulate other 15 year olds, or 40 year olds to manipulate other 40 year olds for sex. It is immoral, but not a crime. Rape and sexual assault and molestation are all crimes of non-consent for which there are already laws which can be applied.

You know what really causes harm? Slut shaming. Whether its a guy secretively going around with an older woman until he's found out, or a girl going to many guys her own age or one older. In most cases, it is the social aftermath. I've been reading case studies of similar issues, in which a teen girl has sex and the resulting aftermath with her peers. What causes the harm? Not the sex, the fact that shes being called a whore, a slut, etc.

The same may hold true for relationships that cross that bright legal fiction line. If you have willing sex, and then you regret it a few days later, does it matter that the person was 15 or 50? Maybe you regret it, but apparently that regret is legal and moral if the other participant was 15 but not 50. So on top of possible regret, we have the added layer of calling them victims and telling them to be traumatized.

It reminds me of that South Park episode with the gay camp. The counselors there spent all their time traumatizing the kids that went there because they were "confused", by trying to hammer the gay out of them, and all it did was cause them more pain. Many willing underage pariticipants enjoy and even say it was a positive experience when they had sex with an older partner.

Papers which show these claims and have proof of them are routinely condemned by U.S. Congress and U.K. Parliament. E.g. "Don't show us proof that we're wrong because it doesn't sit right with us morally. We serve women, as they are the majority power bloc in politics, and they hate the idea, even though when they were teens they loved doing it themselves".

Maybe that's a bit hyperbolic, but the case studies and surveys are out there, showing that the potential for harm between a teen and an "adult" having sex is no greater on average, than the potential for harm between two teens fucking, and we all have no problem with the latter. Hell, we even encourage it by saying "sex is great, sex is beautiful, its fun, go have some, but be safe!". When the partner they bring home looks a little too old, suddenly its "YOU'RE BEING RAPED!!!".

People.

[–]RobDog101 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well said! I agree with every sentence. "Telling them to be traumatized" is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about—and it's every bit as damaging and traumatizing as gay "conversion" camps. Every ounce of "victimization" and shame anyone has ever felt for eagerly participating in sex as a young horny teen with someone older, is on the hands of the moral majority, and particularly of parents who want to be overprotective but not so "harsh" that they will "blame" their kids for succumbing to natural urges. It sucks because this includes MRAs and feminists, as you say, as well as traditionalists of almost all stripes, most western parents, people with a pathological fear of "victim blaming": most with nothing but "good intentions."

If the people calling Johnson a predator and a pedophile want to see who the real abusers are going around terrorizing society and warping children's views on sexuality, they should look in a mirror. Same goes for feminists saying that if you've had drunk sex and regretted it, you're a rape victim, or even that getting groped by a stranger is a PTSD-inducing violation that will scar you so severely for life you would be better off dead. It's like they want every woman and child to be rape victims and internalize their threat narrative. This mass brainwashing under the guise of "revealing" people's victimhood and oppression to them, is of course basic Marxist praxis. It is the attempted scarring of the collective psyche with the aim of weaponizing the resulting psychic pain. Plucking the flower from the chain and all that.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, there is a narrative of being victims and objects on the stage of life, not agents.

Feminism has pushed hard to deny female agency. Choice, but no responsibilities, to themselves or others.

It should be obvious to anyone, who is thinking and not parroting, that it is possible that not all teens are traumatized, not all are victims, not all are incapable of these decisions. I fully respect the idea of holding anyone accountable for damaging any incapable person for selfish gains, but to blanket it and call everyone in that situation a pedophile or a rapist ignores individuality and criminalizes rather normal behavior. Take it case by case.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the biggest reasons that adults get away with this kind of shit and yes, I'm purely blaming the adults here who form angry mobs over the issues, is that they almost never let these teenagers speak for themselves.

They always treat girls as the victims or claim if it's a boy that he wanted it, but do they let them speak for themselves? No, they scream and yell based on their own prejudices as loudly as they can and then pat themselves on their backs if they've managed to get these people further jail sentences or driven them to suicide.

This is why when there's the occasional brave victims who do actually speak out against this kind of bullshit, like that boy who got raped by the woman, utter silence from these assholes.

This is another case of narrative over fact that we have to fight against like with anything else, it's not just feminists that are guilty of this, supposedly ordinary people are only too happy to go and ostracise people and attack them without knowing the facts and spread their propaganda. Sometimes even with the facts, they still refuse to believe someone is innocent as we've seen with men who get attacked by a bunch of pricks who think they're above any retribution.

I think these days there's nothing that pisses me off more than these self-righteous and arrogant assholes who think they can go around murdering people in a mob just based on hearsay or their own misguided emotions. It's more obvious when you see religious people doing it but there are otherwise rational people who think they're somehow entitled to take somebodies life as well. They demonise other people to make them seem less human and so therefore it justifies them doing these horrible things to them.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is interesting that she has received such a heavy sentance - nearly 3 years. I will be surprised if the footballer gets more.

[–]LGBTreecko 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, he will.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hes well off and famous. And young. No Savile. He probably will do okay, like getting probation and tons of community service.

[–]Aaod 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wonder which is more of an increase in sentence having a female victim or being a male perpetrator.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It looks fairly even.

Go for the maximum a man can get with a girl. Reduce by half if the "perp" is a woman. Take away the other half when the "victim" is male.

[–]LedZeppelin1602 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw this. The comments on the lady criminal mention the double standards but the Johnson ones have all Paedo comments. Funny how she isn't considered a Paedo, it's like that term is reserved for men, acting like men can be Rapists and Paedos but Women can't

[–]darkgatherer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure Jezebel is going to have a long scathing article about this. /s

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