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Women more Violent and Controlling than Men: Study

as_yet_untitled

July 28, 2015
589 upvotes
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http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/children/childabuse/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-various-studies-find/2366/
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Title Women more Violent and Controlling than Men: Study
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as_yet_untitled

Upvotes 589
Comments 58
Date July 28, 2015 7:54 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/3evhs1/women_more_violent_and_controlling_than_men_study/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPassDenied/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-study.960092
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Comments

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But statistics have a sexist bias. This is further proof of misogyny!

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

air conditioning is sexist.

[–]Rellik29 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know I am 2 days behind and I just read that article.

Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How can I wear my slutty blouse and skirt so that hawt guy can check me out when it's too cold?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, men are screwed either way.. if you "let" your girlfriend/wife beat you up, people laugh and make fun of you... if you defend yourself these same idiots talk shit on you for "hitting a poor woman." It is really stupid. Women are given a free pass to do this shit and nobody really cares.

[–]as_yet_untitled[S] 63 points64 points65 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Contrary to the overwhelming perception in society, numerous studies and statistics recently published from a variety of disparate sources have indicated that women are more likely to be verbally and physically aggressive to their partners than men, and are increasingly participating in serious acts of violence against other men, women, the elderly and children.

[+]Rabiesalad -23 points-22 points-21 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I may have missed it, but I don't believe I saw any real data whatsoever regarding crime against the elderly.

The rest is pretty misrepresentative of the actual studies

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You got a source for that?

Or are you confusing your feelings with facts?

[–]Rabiesalad -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually read through all the article and it's 5 sources and summarized them on this page, so there's that source.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You talking about the wacky misrepresentation of the data below me?

[+]Spartz -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or are you?

[–]sexypleurisy 48 points49 points50 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

2xc deleted it within an hour for some reason.

[–]Numericaly747 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

some reason

[–]sexypleurisy 48 points49 points50 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Look, I'm just saying maybe we should teach women not to hit.

[–]Numericaly745 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Lesbians need to be taught not to rape.

It has been estimated that between 17-45% of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner (Burke et al, 1999; Lie et al, 1991), and that 30% of lesbians have reported sexual assault / rape by another woman (Renzetti, 1992).

[–]KanyeWest_GayFish 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Could this just be because lesbians treat more sexual acts as sexual assault? Because they don't have dick in vagina sex, maybe it's more encompassing?

Did that make any sense? I'm high as a kite

[–]Dollar_Bills 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A man has an extra part for sexual assault.

Bronald Trump 2016

[–]rebuildingMyself 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women engage in rapey behaviors all the time against men. Feeling them up in clubs, inappropriate conversation topics in the office, sex with drunk men, probably forced themselves on at least one guy. The issue is society doesn't call them out on it so what's the incentive to behave?

Of course, when they bring this into lesbian relationships (in other words, the same rapey behavior applied to the privileged gender), the real statistics come out

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is... mind-blowing.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[permanently deleted]

[–]antariusz 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Removing an article simply because it shows women in a bad light, however, IS an example of a pussypass.

[–]Deranged40Chewbacca is my lover 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sweet. post it to this sub!

[–]sexypleurisy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess I'm a bit slow here. I'm going to need you to spell out what, exactly, any of that has to do with 2xc. Take your time.

[–]lechale -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You need to take it easy....you are taking too seriously this sub is not meant to put anyone down....try to smile the says is nice out :)

[–]Letiferr 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I seriously have no clue what "try to smile the says is nice out" is supposed to mean.

However, this sub is absolutely focused on denying women rights that they aren't entitled to.

[+]lechale -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It means try to smile its a nice day.... :)

On the second comment this sub is about the ladies that try to get by abusing their rights....if you really give it a good thought...it seems more than often this days a lot(not all) of ladies try abuse the fact they are the "weaker" sex. What do we do?....we laugh at the ones that get caught and denied...that is all this is and it is not be taken to serious....but if you feel otherwise you dont have to look at the posts...dont keep doing that yourself if you dont agree....trust me this sub will not change the world. So...smile a little more its good for you :)

[–]Rabiesalad 40 points41 points42 points 10 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

Here's a summary of the article's sources. SURPRISE! It's not really in line with the title.

Source 1: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/women-more-aggressive-and-controlling-than-men-study-finds/story-fnet09p2-1226968421868

  • cites this study: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/251235693_Testing_predictions_from_the_male_control_theory_of_men%27s_partner_violence

  • in the study, it is noted "Table I further shows that women reported perpetrating significantly more controlling behavior overall than men did. However, men and women reported that their partners used controlling behavior at a similar rate."

  • also noted in the study: men perpetrate violence against people besides their partner more than women do someone can correct me if I'm reading it wrong, but I believe Table 1 shows that both men and women perpetrated physical violence with nearly the exact same frequency.

  • main takeaway from this study appears to be that male control theory of IPV is incorrect, and a more violence-centric approach (rather than gender-centric) should be used.

Source 2: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Latestproducts/4906.0Main%20Features12012?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=4906.0&issue=2012&num=&view=

  • interestingly enough, this section shows how partner violence against women is more prevalent than against men in all cases, in many cases it is MUCH more prevalent (3x as much for physical and over 10x as much for sexual) http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/4906.0Chapter7002012

  • many of the other available statistics show men are physically abused more equally to women, but it does not express the sex of the perpetrator. When considering the above point, it's fair to suggest that many men experience violence from other men.

Source 3: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/violent-young-women-are-spiking-the-punch/story-e6freuy9-1226446194774

  • does not provide link to source

  • does not show figures for men for comparison

  • only states that women are more likely to take part in violence now than in the 1990's

  • does not state that women are more likely to be violent COMPARED to men

  • if someone takes the time to find the statistics for this pass them on and I can update. The source is just useless.

Source 4: http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org/equalparenting/fathers4equality.nsf/pages/childabuserisks

  • children are murdered by their mother roughly as often as by the father OR the mother's "defacto partner" (basically, same thing as father). Out of 22 homicides, 11 were by the mother and 10 were by father or male partner. There's an extra 1 left over, because 1 father killed 2 children in one case.

  • "Further, according to a 2003 Australian Institute of Family Studies paper mothers ‘were responsible for the physical assaults of children in up to 50% of cases; 50% of recorded infanticides and up to 7% of sexual assaults on children.’"

Source 5: http://mobile.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/mothers-hand-in-child-deaths-laid-bare/story-e6frfkui-1226481089487

  • "The analysis of 33 child deaths that were the subject of a police review found that mothers were to blame for 15 of the fatalities"

  • "The police report released on Tuesday looked at 101 deaths that were subjected to a family violence death review between 2004 and 2011" ... "Men were the suspects in 67 of the deaths"

In summary, I do not think the title of this OP or the title of the article are justified based on the data from the sources of the article.

At best, we can say that women are more likely to be emotionally abusive and manipulative in relationships, while men are more likely to murder their partner etc.

I did not see any compelling data that simply suggests that women are more violent or controlling than men speaking generally. Most of the data this idea is based on is data from within the context of relationships, so "women are more violent and controlling than men in relationships" is a more fitting (but still questionable) title.

[–]shaggorama 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This looks like a high value comment, but without formatting it's very difficult to read.

[–]Rabiesalad 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

REDDIT IS HARD HOW I DO?!

edit: i was serious with this comment I have no idea how to make the formatting work. What I got going now is passable, though :D

[–]shaggorama 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

PS: If you put a space between the asterisk and the word that follows it, you'll get bullet points.

*asdfasfas 

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versus

* asdasd 
  • asdasdas

[–]Rabiesalad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

HOLY SHIT IT WORKED!

(i swear, i did this on another post and it didn't fix it shakes fist)

thanks :)

[–]shaggorama 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No prob, I basically live here.

[–]shaggorama -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better, thanks.

[–]TheWiredWorld -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You read one line, and then go to the next.

I got through it just fine.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, it's not difficult to read at all. Unless you have trouble reading that is.

[–]Rabiesalad 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was a different time. We don't speak of it.

[–]shaggorama -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's been edited. It was a single wall of text before I requested they add formatting.

Your welcome.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That I didn't know.

My welcome what?

[–]shaggorama 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine, you got me. I'm not changing it.

[–]Robert_Walker1 points 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

This is great work, thank you.

[–]Rabiesalad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]Mathieulombardi 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Without reading further into it, I'm ask a dumb question: what about the percentages of male/female for reciprocal IPV?

[–]Shia_LaBoof 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uhhhhh..... that means both partners are abusing each other. So I'd say it's about 50/50

[–]Mathieulombardi 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You've misunderstood. The info was regarding who was the aggressor. In non reciprocal IPV females were 70%+ instigators. The question was regarding who's the aggressor/instigator for reciprocal IPV. This means unless it's a coincidence, it's unlikely that the percentage is 50/50 caused by reciprocal violence (the incidence of reciprocal violence).

[–]Shia_LaBoof 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah my mistake. Sorry about that. That's a good question.

[–]Rabiesalad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe this data was in the study in any meaningful way that I can tell

[–]fucreddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I may have a weird class of friend but the women in their lives control them almost completely and are usually prone to acting out physically only after pitching a giant verbal tantrum.

[–]tyson1988 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's that little thing called war though

[–]Deranged40Chewbacca is my lover -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think my perception as part of society counts as a woman attempting to use her gender to gain any advantage.

[–]lechale -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Breath brother.....breath...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I will be interested to see if this study pops up on any more reputable sites.

I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't though, since it goes against the narrative that the media and pop culture is desperately trying to push right now.

[–]Rabiesalad -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, it's more of an "article" than a study. And the studies don't really agree with how the article portrays them. I posted a summary

[–]MustakaThinks breakfast food is gay sex[M] -28 points-27 points-26 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

OP thanks for the content but this is not PPD.

Going to remove it.

[–]Scuwr 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

:(

[–]SneakyTouchy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women and feminized men often presume a default aura of innocence about any woman that she is delicate, precious, and can do no harm. This is the primary driving force of the pussy pass. Anything going against it as public study and research can be thought of as a denial for this way of thinking.

This is not a woman being denied a pass. This is simply just pass denial. Atypical, but in my opinion, appropriate and adds a lot of value to this sub. At least in this case, you have a little something backing up your views instead of just "misogyny."

[–]MustakaThinks breakfast food is gay sex[M] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is we are not about men's rights or women's rights or SJW or anti SJW. We are about the denial of the pass. So basically we have no ideology.

[+]Rabiesalad -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Er, as a genderqueer feminist man (probably fitting your idea of a feminized man) I can tell you that I and most feminists I know do not at all attempt to paint this type of picture of women.

This is basically the epitome of patriarchal ideals for a woman, and it's essentially exactly what feminist attempts to combat.

Women are (like men) able to take care of themselves, should be responsible for their decisions and actions, and should pay their way and help carry the groceries.

Socially I am in/near the "feminist" and lgbt rights types of circles and I can tell you confidently that my views on this matter are pretty prevalent...

Also, the studies cited by the article don't really lead to the same conclusions the article suggests, and the title of the article isn't really appropriate considering the data.

[–]SneakyTouchy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I presume your thoughts on the matter are a series of heavily modified paintings.

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