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35 year old woman accused of raping 12 year old boy after he was instructed to walk her home from a party "for her safety"

xynomaster

November 11, 2015
157 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/cairns-woman-appears-in-court-over-rape-of-young-boy-two-years-ago/story-fnpqrsxl-1227605368635
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Title 35 year old woman accused of raping 12 year old boy after he was instructed to walk her home from a party "for her safety"
Author

xynomaster

Upvotes 157
Comments 17
Date November 11, 2015 10:25 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3sgndz/35_year_old_woman_accused_of_raping_12_year_old/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/35-year-old-woman-accused-of-raping-12-year-old.967431
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Comments

[–]xynomaster[S] 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There were a lot of reasons I thought it was worthwhile to post this story. First of all, the fact that they thought it was appropriate for a 12 year old boy to "protect" a 35 year old woman is ridiculous. She's most likely stronger than him and all he could have done was gotten killed.

Second, I think this does a great job of showing how everyone just assumed she was the one who needed protection, and assumed the boy would be totally fine. No one considered that the boy could be in danger, or even remotely considered that he could be in danger from her and she could actually be a potential threat rather than just a victim.

Just another example of how societal biases that women are always victims and need protecting while men and boys can never be victims causes actual harm to men and boys.

On the plus side, she's actually being charged with rape. I didn't know women could be charged with rape in Australia. I looked it up and according to a site here, rape is defined as "sexual penetration without consent", where sexual penetration includes both penetrating someone else and being penetrated.

[–]Antrophis 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't this still be statutory rape even not fitting the penetration definition. (stupid definition btw)

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]keeb119 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

a better (?) definition of rape: any sexual act without the other persons consent. things like fingering someone or jacking them off would be a lesser charge then full blown penetration.

[–]Ricwulf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I think that term is too broad. It makes things like coping a feel (also wrong) be classed as rape. It would be molestation, not rape. Slight difference, but it matters. It would be better to restrict it to any form of unconsenting intercourse, be it oral, anal, vaginal or masturbatory (jacking someone else off, or using any part of their body to jack off against their will, though in my personal opinion, I wouldn't class the masturbatory one as severe as the others, but that is just my opinion).

[–]xynomaster[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean the definition is kind of weird, but since they expanded the definition of "sexual penetration" to include forcing someone to penetrate you it isn't strictly speaking harmful to men. It's ages ahead of the UK where rape is still defined as penetrating someone else without consent, and forcing someone to penetrate you is a far lesser charge.

You could argue that it is harmful to women, though, if a woman raping another woman is not covered by this definition.

[–]Antrophis 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does it always have to be "WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN?" . Literally everything even a man proved innocent of rape charges was turned into think about how this effects the next woman instead of how dare you try to destroy this man with such a vile lie.

[–]ARedthorn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Problem is, the reason they changed it was because they realized a few years back they couldn't charge a woman with statutory rape, because those laws referred to the rape laws, which excluded female attackers... So she got away with it.

Glad to see they closed that gaping loophole.

[–]victorymonk 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

A 35-year-old Westcourt woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

Huh??? Who cannot be named for legal reasons? In Australia people accused of rape are not named until they are found guilty? or is it /r/pussypass?

[–]xynomaster[S] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some don't even get named after being found guilty, apparently. No idea if this is unique to women or just something Australia does.

[–]_____D34DP00L_____ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It applies to both genders

[–]squeak6666yw 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

best case is the law says you don't name the accused if it can be used to identify the victim if the victim is a child.

[–]blueoak9 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"“This is an allegation that is not supported by any witnesses other than the complainant child himself.”

Hahahahahaha!!!! That would only work with a female defendant.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is bad because men are statistically more likely to be injured or killed when walking home. So if they were worried about the woman's safety, they should have driven her home. Completely outrageous to put a 12 year old in the position of having to fight for a grown ups protection, he didn't even know the definition of rape.

[–]xynomaster[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm trying to think of some justification for this. Like maybe she was really drunk and he wasn't so much there to protect her as guide her home? If it was a really safe neighborhood I could sort of kind of see someone doing that...

The fact remains that no family would ever send their 12 year old daughter to escort a drunk adult man home from a party, because families would be protective of their daughters. The point here is that they need to learn to be protective of their sons too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The point here is that they need to learn to be protective of their sons too."

That is the key issue here, I agree. This is sort of supporting the exposable male theory since the young boys safety isn't as important and a girl's his age, and even less important than a grown woman. Maybe he was walking her home, what if something happened? How would a drunk adult properly care for a child? Or make rational thoughts? I know you probably agree with the purpose of those questions, just wanted to throw them out there.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“unsupported by any evidence”
“This is an allegation that is not supported by any witnesses other than the complainant child himself.”

When was the last time you saw the media print these kind of defence arguments for a man accused of rape?

It seems it is only when boys are raped and abused by women that all of a sudden the idea that someone can be tried on someone else's word alone becomes questionable and print-worthy.

The media basically advocates and encourages the rape of boys while simultaneously demonizing any man with allegations against them as rapists before they even get a day in court.

And the idea that a 35 year old man would be granted bail over the rape of a 12 year old girl is so laughable it's not funny. Disgusting.

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