+Armoured Media "I wrote this really long response apologizing and explaining that I don't know the terms and that I am not super familiar with the MRM... I was going to talk about how I know not all MRAs are like this and that I wasn't talking about the MRM as a whole... I was going to say I have friends that are MRAs and that even though I disagree with them I'm always willing to hear out their opinion. I've watched every video put out byt +Doctorrandomercam and enjoyed them immensly... I was going to explain that I wasn't referring to the practises or the performances of MRMs as the relate to the shit-shows Feminists have put on... but the more time that passed, the more tweets and comments I've read the more I start to feel that I'm not entirely wrong."

You do realize that the MRM has exactly ONE violent act directly attributable to them, right? It was the suicide by self-immolation of Thomas Ball on the steps of the family courthouse that fucked him over. Death toll: 1. Late for lunch toll: several judges and a handful of lawyers. Yet we have had mass murders blamed on us in mainstream media.

Organizations who advise the FBI have kindasorta declared us a hate group (but not really, they just led their readers to believe they were saying that so they'd repeat the claim, over and over, that the SPLC declared us a hate group). Elliot Rodger was an MRA, even though he'd never heard of us (but was a fan of the Young Turks). Marc Lepine was an MRA (even though he'd never heard of us). George Sodini was an MRA (because he attended a single pick up artist seminar once in his life). Petitions have been started to get the US government to declare the MRM a terrorist organization.

Remember when Law and Order SVU aired that episode where #gamergate was portrayed as a highly organized group of misogynistic rapey terrorists, all while their members are getting threatened, swatted and doxxed by their opponents? Well, just imagine what it might be like for a group of people with an absolute ethic of nonviolent change, and whose only single attributable act of political violence was a public suicide that did nothing worse than embarrass and inconvenience the status quo, to be called a hate group by the mainstream, to be blamed for any and every lunatic who picks up a gun and starts shooting. We get accused of wanting to take away women's votes, wanting to make rape and domestic violence legal, wanting to chain women to their stoves.

The MRM has been living that Law and Order episode for decades, sir. They've been lied about and slandered and vilified and demonized for decades. For trying to make the law respect the parental rights of fathers and the value of children's relationships with their dads. For trying to give boys equal protection from unnecessary and painful non-consensual amputation of their body parts. For trying to bring attention to 14 year old boys who are forced to pay child support to their convicted rapists. For trying to raise awareness of the deplorable bias in the criminal justice system that is responsible for the overwhelmingly male prison population--if men were treated as leniently as women in the criminal system, 5 out of 6 men currently in prison would not be there. And in return, we get lied about. ALL THE TIME. Not just by feminists, but by a mainstream that listens to them. So I'm really fucking sorry you feel hard done by for being called out for speaking out of ignorance.

"Both sides let their emotions cloud their judgement and have tried to play the victim card."

Kind of like saying,

"well, I had this whole big thing written out, but now you guys have made me feel all hurty, so I'm not going to even publish it!"

Like that, you mean?

"Paul Elam has said some raw and crazy shit and get really morally repugnant in some of his actions. There. There is your example of an MRA that is exactly like a Feminist."

What actions are those? Are we talking about things he says, or things he does? If we're talking about things he does, please elaborate.

"Also, dragging shoe into this? Dick move, man... dick move"

The entire reason Shoe is part of this is because she's WAY more popular among MRAs than you are. More popular among everyone, it seems. She has 4 times as many subscribers as you do. She's more important than you. Sorry to have to tell you this, but she does, and she is.

This video wasn't attacking you and dragging in June. It was calling out June and dragging in YOU. And it wasn't even MEAN. No one was laughing about how fucked up you guys are. No one was yelling. No one called either of you any names. All Nick and I did was say you were wrong about some things you said, and were probably speaking out of careless ignorance.

Welcome to a world wherein women enjoy power and accountability. You're not doing her any favors by portraying her as an innocent victim in this. Do you think she's so frail that she's unable to weather a little criticism?