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"Had [victim] been a woman, [District Attorney] said, the injury might have been prosecution worthy"

eletheros

September 14, 2015

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Title	"Had [victim] been a woman, [District Attorney] said, the injury might have been prosecution worthy"
Author	eletheros
Upvotes	223
Comments	35
Date	September 14, 2015 10:29 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3kw6io/had_victim_been_a_woman_district_attorney_said/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/had-victim-been-a-woman-district-attorney-said-the.971403 https://theredarchive.com/post/971403

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[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't assume. But, we watch feminism. It isn't just feminism that's causing changing our society. It's when people who aren't feminists think some of their ideas make sense that they start to become mainstream. If MRAs talk to and influence only other MRAs then they remain virtually without influence, without power.

You think EXTREME feminism is highly influential? I think not. I think they get used as a way to say all feminism is basically evil. But, simple equality - that's an idea that caught on.

And, you're flat out wrong. THE thing I see feminists AND what seem to be just normal people point to about MRAs is misogyny. That's why we're not getting a voice, even though men's rights is, at base, about equality. We're making it easy for people to simply discount us. That's simply stupid.

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[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think of it as refusing to continue to give feminists the evidence

I think of it as "being invisible".

we have nothing to lose by having a faction of MRAs who can be pointed out as NOT extremist

I support that idea, not everybody is going to have the same thoughts or values or priorities.

That's not what you originally posted though, you were trying to silence others:

what we need is to really tone down the all-feminism-is misandry rhetoric

Perhaps you meant "we need a non-offensive sit politely in the corner example of MRAs to point to when accused of misogyny" but that's certainly not how I read your passage.

Allowing women to continue to paint all men who are concerned with equality as misogynists is a losing strategy.

I disagree here. Allowing women to paint men with valid concerns as misogynists has been the strongest argument this movement has. It's only a losing strategy if the concerns are false. In which case, it should lose.

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[–]Shanguerrilla 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I just think "men's rights" sounds like a group mostly concerned with men's rights... while feminist (in its current 'wave' or at least as generally discussed) typically is about women's rights.. Neither are a bastion of 'equality', but rather two sides of a scale and what I hope the silent majority of both are working towards is balancing it, because typically when they take from one side they give to the other.

Feminist is a dirty word to me, but not because 'we' use it. We use it because there are women gallivanting around as self declared 'feminists' who have pretty extreme views and clearly don't want 'equality'. IE: the type of women, to me, who identify as "feminists" typically don't care about my rights or well being, just as you won't normally find a men's right activist fighting for better battered women's shelters and programs against abuse (which is a GREAT service, but rather extremely under represented to help men).

Basically, I don't think men made feminist a dirty word. To me it is the movement itself that has transformed into something with unhealthy goals. I champion your ideals that you can see both sides and perspectives, that you really want greater equality.. Men / women "true equality" will always be an unreachable ideal balancing checks and balances.. it would have to be a perfect mix of permission and protection and I can't even imagine what it would look like without the destruction of 'gender roles' or the things that make us different.

If you don't like the word feminist, then you should find a new word or a new movement, because I don't think today's feminism is really about equality any more than The Red Pill is.

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Sorry I kept editing it while you were responding.

I really don't consider 'feminist' a dirty word or a cutdown on any individual or personal level. I don't think most feminists are on-board with what (admittedly) I imagine most leaders are. I don't think feminists are bad, but the movement itself and the headlines (the extremes) and much of the results are very much 'negative' to me.

I just think feminist is too broad. Every woman has a part of her that says 'yea, I'm a feminist because I care about women!'. But there are just SO many different goals or ideals splitting out from that. I don't know much about feminism, I just know the headlines and see the results of their actions (like some of the inequality in our legal system).

The best way to organize people is against a common enemy. I think both sides are fighting this problem (of being pitted against each other). I think the only way to be a 'feminist who believes in equality' and have it not have negative connotation and/or be that and have a place in the MRA movement... is when people understand 'what kind' of feminist you are. I think there needs to be more specific of a name for your goal.

"I hate men, men can't be raped" extreme feminists will always poison the name just as (well honestly, not even as much as) how everyone views Men's Rights Activists as sexists that want to subjugate women and take their rights (which I believe is also most women's natural reaction to hearing a man is a Men's Rights Activist).

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