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Feminists complaining about the UK budget: Welfare cuts will hit women the hardest. Women are twice as dependent on social security as men, 20% of women's income coming from the benefits and tax credit system, compared with10% of men's. This gap needs closing but feminists do not want welfare cuts.

TR6Cool

July 9, 2015
54 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/summer-budget-2015-conservative-welfare-cuts-hit-women-110232138.html#6DIXxp8
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Title Feminists complaining about the UK budget: Welfare cuts will hit women the hardest. Women are twice as dependent on social security as men, 20% of women's income coming from the benefits and tax credit system, compared with10% of men's. This gap needs closing but feminists do not want welfare cuts.
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 54
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Date July 9, 2015 10:29 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminists want women to be paid more than men. They want women to be more educated than men. They want women's health care to be better than men's. They want mothers to be given custody of the children in family disputes and they also want women to receive double what men receive in social and housing payments.

[–]pnw_diver 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are feminists, the group, the same as the impoverished, the group?

How many feminists are underemployed single mothers? Damned few is my bet. Feminism is a parlor game now for affluent educated women with comfortably fed waistlines and low stress.

Let's not reject the excesses of feminism by attacking our societies' weakest and most vulnerable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminists are the : Fawcett Society. there is no organisation that hates men or more feminist than the Fawcett society.

They are the ones who campaign for women to not be put in prison and men to not be able to DNA test their children.

http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/

[–]pnw_diver 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It is legitimate that welfare cuts would hit women the hardest, as women with children are the greatest dependents on welfare programs, by all accounts.

I think that standing up for men doesn't require attacking impoverished people of any gender, and I don't think that standing up for men requires attacking impoverished women and children.

For myself, as a man, a society that I want is a society wherein the government's resources will insure that poverty is not too great, and that is a gender blind thing, and I think poverty is one of the worst things to inflict on children as well.

Government austerity is bad for all of us.

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. While it's an odd position to only care about the poor who have vaginas and accuse the government of favoring only the rich people who have penises... the feminists are on the right side of the issue, at least.

Cutting benefits and inflicting austerity on the poor while the rich people get richer than ever before is terrible for a variety of reasons. Even ignoring the human suffering part of things, it's just poor management of the economy.

[–]_skip7_ 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad to see some sensible posts like yours on this thread. Attacking the poor for a crisis made by the rich is despicable, indeed sadistic.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If we did not have Government austerity we would end up like Greece. Undoubtedly.

[–]Apemazzle 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it was up to Paul Krugman, the government would give everybody "free money". Krugman thinks government debt is different than personal debt because the government can print money. I don't know why people eat his shit up so much... Probably because it's what they want to hear.

[–]Apemazzle 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Y'ever hear of a little thing called the great depression?

[–]pnw_diver -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DV. Greece, I tell you! Greece!

[–]Vanriel 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, saw a story about this. A woman complaining that if her benefits get cut to 20K a year then she will be homeless. She has eight children. Most common responses are " Children aren't a money ticket" and " If you can't afford them, dont have them".

[–]piemanrises 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

my concern is less about the impact this will have on women and more the impact the cuts are having on the disabled and the children in this country.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I applaud the budget on the whole. Amazing that benefits are limited to 2 children from 2017. I never thought that would happen

[–]chocoboat 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While that's one sensible change, the rest of the budget will mean harder times for the disabled and working poor.

A budget like this would make perfect sense in a country with lower income inequality, where hard work pays off and earns you a comfortable living, and fewer people need welfare benefits.

But since it's in a country with high income inequality, this move is screwing over the poor in order to ensure that the ultra rich can hold onto as much of their money as possible.

[–]piemanrises 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

sorry but there is not a lot to applaud in the budget. that was the point i was making.

attacking single parents hurts the kids and right now working people and the disabled are being squeezed to the point of no return.

[–]InWadeTooDeep 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Governments cannot afford to be short sighted, this is probably for the best over the long term.

[–]piemanrises 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

they seem to have been pretty short sighted so far, they uturned on VAT, they grossly underestimated how quicxkly and easily both the debt and deficit would be reduced, and they have shifted the responsibility of paying for all the debt mostly to the vulnerable and the working poor.

beyond the minimum wage (which isn't much considering that it hasn't kept up with inflation for a long time) they didn't do anything to help the average people of this country, just the wealthy. a move which will kill the economy because the majority will feel little benefit and when they are struggling to pay bills they will not be putting money into the economy.

in my opinion the tories are far too short sighted.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We have the worst productivity in the western world. This budget was totally designed to boost productivity and reduce debt.

[–]levelate 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Governments cannot afford to be short sighted

and yet, they do it all the time.

[–]InWadeTooDeep -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So do a lot of people who end up homeless.

[–]L0gic1o1 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So feminists are saying women are weak?
Someone needs to find a way to convert projection into energy, and maybe feminists will finally be useful.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Relevant:

Mother-of-eight who rakes in £26,000 a year in handouts claims she will lose her house under George Osborne's £20,000 welfare limit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3154685/The-benefits-cap-make-homeless-Mother-eight-rakes-26-000-year-handouts-claims-lose-house-George-Osborne-s-20-000-welfare-limit.html

[–]_skip7_ 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Corporate welfare is a far, far bigger wealth drain. Attacking poor people for "raking in" per year what your average plutocrat spends on lunch is disgusting.

[–]garglemesh42 -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Good, let her lose her house and give the kids to someone willing to work to give them the life they deserve. Getting the government to pay for you to sit on your ass all day is a waste of everyone else's money.

[–]pnw_diver 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Asking anyone - man, or woman - to give up their children because of economic reasons is a drastic thing indeed.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She cannot afford them. She chose to have them knowing she could not pay for them. Men have no say over the birth of a child.

[–]pnw_diver 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya miss the point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He did, but you also missed his point. No one that poor should be having that many children. I make more than her and would not want to bring even a single child into this world unless I made double what I do now. It's called being responsible.

[–]chocoboat -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As much as I'm disgusted by worthless leeches on society like her, it doesn't do anything productive to take her children away. Governments have made the mistake of offering ever-increasing amounts of money to non-working women who are rewarded financially with each additional baby they came pop out, and have to own up to that decision.

The most sensible and cost effective decision is to keep providing for them... though I'll shed no tears if the new welfare limit means they have to move into a less appealing home.

Meanwhile the UK has stopped the bleeding and enacted a welfare limit for 2 children only, so that in the future women like her won't be rewarded for leeching from society. I hope to see this plan spread to other countries.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They will not take her children away. The state does not want them

[–]chocoboat -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course not.

[–]fourthwallcrisis -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then get off benefits! I thought you were big and strong and independent and didn't no help from noone? Jesus christ, the mental gymnastics....

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