Both men and women are affected negatively by patriarchal ideals. If you believe in equality, feminism is for you.

jpflathead · 2014-06-11T22:04:43+00:00

I appreciate your words Zero day.

May I ask how much time you've spent reading this forum, or reading other men's and father's issues forums?

mirazatha · 2014-06-11T22:12:24+00:00

sigh

BlindPelican · 2014-06-11T22:14:40+00:00

Your troll attempt would have worked so much better if you hadn't included that article.

Next time, don't put up some obvious rubbish.

4/10.

c0mputar · 2014-06-11T22:17:36+00:00

"Women are responsible for every single problem in the world."

Please kindly point out where MRAs say this that doesn't come from some kind of redpill forum. In fact I'm sure an MRA has said this at one point or another, but it's probably hidden after getting -20 points.

Furthermore, the "patriarchy" is loosely defined by feminists, and has never actually be shown to exist. Academic feminists constructed a theory to explain female grievances as being a product of some kind of oppressive authoritative male force. Never mind that 99.9% of every male who has ever lived or is living has had it pretty shitty too with regards to the "oppressive authoritative" force. The patriarchy theory makes a huge flaw that can be aptly summed up as the apex fallacy. Female dictators, warmongers, rulers, and landowners have existed too, throughout history.

Finally, feminists do not focus on men's issues, not even remotely. Circumcision, draft, male massacres in conflict zones, female on male sexual and domestic violence, etc... are all abundantly clear men's issues that are categorically ignored by society, and deliberately censored on feminist platforms.

Guess what, I'm a feminist and an MRA. I'm not going to lie about myself and say feminism cares more than a rat's ass about men's issues... Just like MRAs really don't focus on women's issues either. At least the latter group doesn't actively censor women's issues on their platform.

iwasnotshadowbanned · 2014-06-11T22:19:54+00:00

Ignore the troll please.

DougDante · 2014-06-11T22:24:40+00:00

Feminism is for raped boys whose existence is denied in feminist spaces! Go ask the moderator of /r/feminismformen why action opportunities for child rape victims are not allowed in that sub.

The__Imp · 2014-06-11T22:28:56+00:00

Feminism doesn't have to preach the superiority of women to not be a welcoming place for people to discuss Mens' Rights.

I consider myself an egalitarian above all else, and I support women's rights. I support Mens Rights too. I can say that I have had some positive interactions with people who identify as feminists. I will say, however, that I have had more that were very negative. Discussion attempts, even while acknowledging the points asserted by the feminist, often resulted in personal insults and accusations, if not outright mockery. It is my impression that there are a fair number of feminists who are legitimately interested in equality for both genders. It is also my impression that the type of discussion seeking to address the issues facing men is far from welcome in feminist discussion spaces.

It is interesting that the article you posted itself contains the mistaken assertion that Rogers had anything to do with the MRA movement. He simply didn't. PUA and RedPill are not the same thing as MRA. I have seen absolutely no discussion on /r/mensrights of how to "get women," about being "alpha" or "beta," or about any sort of "tactics" with respect to hookups. It just is totally irrelevant to what MRA is trying to accomplish.

And even if Rogers had been a frequent poster here (I do not believe he is known to have participated in any MRA website/forum, including this one), it would not change the fact that his actions were horrific and inexcusable, and not endorsed or condoned in any way by this community.

You point out that (according to one common definition of the terms Feminism) the MRA movement is encompassed within feminism. Does that mean that the MRA movement should close up shop and start up these discussions over at /r/feminism? Would such discussions be permitted there without hatred, accusations of derailing and other negativity?

EndlessTosser · 2014-06-11T22:29:21+00:00

Just a run and gun? Not even enough stones to defend this rubbish?

You show up, post an article we're already aware of (and already dissected as bullshit) and try to preach that we're wrong.

Name me three feminist initiatives that have been exclusively about helping men. Not, "Men benefit as a side effect." Not, "We'll get to that." Not, "Well, we're working on this issue that's like that."

Three. That are about men. Then maybe I'll give a shit.

Title	Both men and women are affected negatively by patriarchal ideals. If you believe in equality, feminism is for you.
Author	YourFaceMakesMeSad
Upvotes	0
Comments	8
Date	June 11, 2014 9:58 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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