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on female empathy and men

February 25, 2023
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a lot of guys redpill and blackpill think women have very low empathy for males but this is in fact cope. not because the average woman actually loves most men (they can love a very specific small cross section of men or one man or their sons), but i'm referring to something else i'll explain in a moment.

women empathize greatly with women of course, and male animals (cats and dogs especially), male fictional characters, male k-pop stars, male toddlers(some of the time) and sometimes their sons (although it ends there). far-left ones even empathize with illegal male immigrants probably precisely because they don't view them as people (and therefore, not as men) and might have very little exposure to them.

it's only when discussing real and ordinary men that their empathy train runs out of steam, even more so when discussing large scale statistics. then they revert to their stock reaction to men's problems of "take it up with other men" when issues are brought up to them or they start to claim they're the real most affected ones. i guess there's some fatigue to it as well if they are exposed too often to the same information and they realize there's not much they can do.

so get out of your male solipsism and realize that plenty of guys get loved very much by the women that give you the cold shoulder. i don't say for a second that it's your fault, but i want you to realize that your experience might in fact be much less common than you think. they love each other and befriend each other. they love their fantasy men in their novels, their movies, their tv shows and their animes who don't exist in reality. they love their sons who carry half their genes. they love their high status good looking celebrities like johnny depp.

women are actually very good at empathizing with one another and with these groups i mentioned, much more than men empathize with men as you can probably remember many instances of another man calling you a loser and flexing on you how much he's better than you for your problems (which is something that women generally approve of. in fact, they'd probably be turned off by a man who's so empathetic to other men that he can criticize women's behavior.) of course, take this with a grain of salt as it's not rare to see women gaslighting and abusing their sons, more than men do.

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Title on female empathy and men
Author no_bling_just_ding
Upvotes 8
Comments 24
Date February 25, 2023 12:41 PM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]LainselBluePill 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A lot of it online also boils down to identity politics too. People tend to view others with interests antithetical to their group's as subhumans online, especially when they engage with them online quite a bit. The average man and the average woman benefit from opposing values and policies so people who are self aware enough will know the two will never see eye to eye again

The r/inceltear and edgy feminist types online who dunk on lonely men don't even realize they are literally the other side of the same coin as the people they hate

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

generally, men are more likely to have some sense of wanting to be fair towards the outgroup in this case than women (probably because men in general have weaker feelings of gender victimhood than women, self-labeled incels being outliers.) i am not a feminist (unless you define it so broadly that even MRAs could be feminist), and while i personally do like to play devil's advocate as i have done in the OP (ctrl+f: fatigue), it's probably not as common for, say, a feminist woman to play devil's advocate for men's interests simply because they know that trying to be fair to the outgroup means fewer prizes to be won.

[–]LainselBluePill 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Apex fallacy. They want 80% of men to be held accountable for the top 20% of guys, be it in wealth, power or looks because 90% of their self invested experiences with men come from those guys and those men "abused" them at work or pumped and dumped them on Tinder.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they sincerely don't care enough to make a distinction. if you remember a specific twoXchromosomes user who used to be active here, she regularly referred to red and black pillers (as well as MRAs) as one group when she wanted to take a jab at men. tate, peterson, farrell, faceandLMS, wheat waffles, incel TV, pro-male collective, colttaine, roosh V and neil strauss = "red pillers" = incels.

[–]riseofthepyu -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there are women who get sexually harrassed by men they weren't romantically involved with

[–]infinitofluxo 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, women feel they love us when they are lesser than us, appearance wise, intellectually, socially, financially. If they see us as a guy that their friends would want, they are attracted and get attached (love).

A lot of us guys are just regular people with weaknesses and some women that are the same end up trying with us because there is not enough extraordinary men out there for all of them, they can do better than being with them.

This creates a resentment as they wish we were not so common or mediocre and it generates a lot of bad behaviour like cheating, monkey branching and abusing.

Men also get resented because they are treated like shit, unless they are the upper ones that can have many women and then these are known as players and bad dudes. And the "losers" are accused of being the same, which piss us off even more. Not only we get fucked but we are blamed for.

Women refuse to understand their nature and trying to learn new ways to relate to men, they play victims and blame men for everything that is wrong. They are much closer to the solution than us, as history has proved that we are willing to change, accept their new wishes to stop being housewives and such, but they make no effort to accept us being regular people like them, they still want men with power even though they asked for regular men to stop having power over them.

In the past, a regular guy would provide and be looked at kindly, now he must fight to be at the top if he wants to be respected, or be with someone that is lower than him as cheating. Like a thin guy dates an obese women and such.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

first off: this is a subset of women.

not all of them.

it's not that they can't understand, they simply find no reward and no incentive to do so if it means giving up their victimhood and all the goodies that they can get from reasserting it. they want to climb to heaven, shove men off the ladder for getting in the way, bang a few others, become angels and then marry god himself. if it sounds insane, that's because it is hypergamy with the brakes cut. they want to both win and lose.

you don't get to fly in a private jet to a seat at UN women's conferences while staying in 5 star hotels by explaining that feminism is wrong and most women want to feel inferior to the men they're banging. and if they come to understand this, you should absolutely ask yourself what sort of reward it is they're seeking, because you do not want to be with a chameleon

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

(2) i was watching some video about a woman with autism who was herself not good looking, spent all her day going to church and doing other things that are frankly not that productive and still demanded a man with an IQ in the top 1% to take care of her and entertain her like a dancing monkey. it immediately seemed to me that she really was no different from the average neurotypical woman and in fact had even stricter standards and an ego to match. she saw herself as that much superior to other people, and in turn wanted a man who was even more superior to her.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/riseofthepyu thoughts

[–]Grapestheanswer 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stranger empathy is nonsense

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree, in redpill and blackpill circles you'll sometimes hear people say that "women aren't capable of love."

And that is not true at all. Women are perfectly capable of love, I'd dare say even more so than men. They just aren't capable of loving men who they aren't attracted to or related to. They are not capable of loving us.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

me and u/Alwaysaloneforever97 once had this similar exchange where i explained that women do in fact get horny just not with men like us.

[–]riseofthepyu -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

i don't think women are any less likely to empathize with ordinary men than men are likely to empathize with ordinary women, or even men empathizing with other ordinary or loserly men.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men empathizing with other ordinary or loserly men

this was addressed in the last paragraph. "...you can probably remember many instances of another man calling you a loser and flexing on you how much he's better than you for your problems"

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

can you tell me about women empathizing with women compared to men to men

[–]riseofthepyu 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

i know this sounds like a cope but women want to be more moral or at least ''want to appear to be moral in a way acceptable to society'' so they are more likely to support things like lgbt, immigration, BLM, left-wing politics etc. which is why they are more ''empathetic'' or at least ''pretend to be empathetic'' to each other. men in comparison might want to see loserly or unmasculine men as disposable items that should be eliminated. i'm generalizing of course, none of this applies to individuals but on a large scale.

you can add gay or bisexual men, drag queens or crossdressers to the list of males women empathize with for this reason.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

men in comparison might want to see loserly or unmasculine men as disposable items that should be eliminated.

yes this ties in to your previous post.

women want to be more moral or at least ''want to appear to be moral in a way acceptable to society'' so they are more likely to support things like lgbt, immigration, BLM, left-wing politics etc.

it's definitely either a cynical status climbing behavior or just a lack of direct exposure to the topics (such as lack of awareness that BLM is a scam). the average white woman in a western country who supports these things sees male immigrants and deathnics as walking repulsive rape threats when she actually encounters them.

[–]riseofthepyu 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

i think prettyboy hate is more cultural than biological, because prettyboys from an evolutionary sense, have good genes and health for procreation, remember i'm moreso referring to a youthful guy with beautified styling, i think this is more related to things like fancy clothes or makeup or long hair becoming ''gay'' but in a historical sense, they weren't.

''it's definitely more of the latter regarding these topics. the averagewhite woman in a western country who supports these things sees maleimmigrants and deathnics as walking repulsive rape threats when sheactually encounters them.''

because they actually rape more than their own men though, but some of them legitimately put trust in them, enter relationshps with them etc. (middle eastern men with white women far outnumbers the reverse in terms of dating and marriage, albeit this is partly related to muslims mateguarding hard)

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

because they actually rape more than their own men though

i dont think you're lying, the poor reputation moroccan men have in europe is largely earned but i'd like to see stats behind this

[–]riseofthepyu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

in 2021, a study found out of 3039 offenders, %59.2 had an immigrant background and 47.7% were born outside Sweden.

yes, this bad.

that being said, despite all of this, i will say white women still put trust in them considering relationships between muslim men and white women far outnumber the reverse, though i will admit this is more about muslim men shaming their women hard and basically forbiding them to marry or date foreigners than white men necessarily disliking them, but still.

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

men in comparison might want to see loserly or unmasculine men as disposable items that should be eliminated.

I think a lot of men are trying to win's women's approval and women do not approve of "losers" so men do everything they can to separate themselves from "losers" and their fate.

I don't think they actually want those men eliminated because that would put them closer to the bottom. If anything, they actually want men at the bottom to do well, because when losers do well the people above the losers do better too.

It's only the guys at the top that don't want losers to do well.

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's actually kinda funny since women don't approve of losers you can tell for leftoid women that the more they shit talk a group as evil the more down bad they are to fuck that group and vice versa for their favorite victim groups. sarah jeong didn't mess with no asians of her kind

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]no_bling_just_dingrip GD4761 [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

already aware of it and experienced it firsthand

mothers and women are the gender role police this has been known to everyone who isnt a lying feminist. ask african FGM victims for more info on this.

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