The interesting thing here is. That there is a double standard. Where women are more likely to be chauvinistic because of their trauma. Men are not allowed to use trauma as an excuse for sexism. For example an incel could have tons of unprovoke bad experiences with women. But nobody would try to justify that incel hatred for women.
The most voted answer is a woman who stopped talking with men because a man made a rape joke around her. She didn't get raped, she just got triggered by the joke. That's what they call "traumatized by males". That's how little it took for her to hate all men.
I haven't read them, but it doesn't matter how in bad taste it was. I've heard women say things that are in very, very bad taste, and this didn't traumatize me and make me hate all women and never want to talk with any of them ever again. And they are all acting like this is a normal reaction. Some people need a bit of perspective.
(That’s not to invalidate this woman’s experiences with creepy abusive men either- it’s tragic that anyone should put up with that- it’s the whole “just wanting nothing to do with them anymore” and treating men as the enemy that I have a problem with)
I've experienced SA 6x, as well as DV, and I love and appreciate men because 99.9% of them haven't harmed me in any way, but rather have helped me. Being traumatized by men doesn't have to lead you to hate them. Women traumatize people too.
Agreed- I was stalked by a married couple- a man and a woman- and I don’t resent men or women.
I’ll admit I did buy into a lot of misandrist claptrap for a little while, but never to the extreme extent that seems to have emerged recently where I resent and hate all of them.
It would be one thing if it was just a matter of prejudice, but the blatant double standards Feminists employ really tends to chap my ass.
Men not wanting to take female apprentices due to career ruining false accusations is them "self reporting" their perversion...and yet women not wanting to interact with men full stop is perfectly justifiable though?
My (cynical?) take is that we all have that monkey brain potential to categorise entire categories of people as a hated enemy tribe.
What's going on in that thread is they are using guilt by association to manufacture a narrative where they are justified in their hatreds. It's an attempt to maintain moral purity while engaging in something darker.
People want to hate and they want to feel good about it. Recognising that it's wrong and denying yourself that hatred requires discipline/willpower, and that's not going to happen with people that deny their own agency
Yeah weaponized victimhood and reactionary feminism, that link is talking about the same phenomenon but with a different framing. That makes sense because I'm coming from the POV of a misspent youth in LGBT activism arguing against sex negative feminism.
I too would like to see more conversation along these lines, and have been tempted to write cultural commentaries. But it's a very negative online space to inhabit and I'm reminded of Mark Fisher's Exiting the Vampire Castle
I understand their feelings and honestly don't care if they don't want anything to do with men anymore. They're just a few women anyway, no reason to care
[–]KatsutamiNanamoto 39 points40 points41 points (2 children) | Copy Link
No amount of trauma justifies their chauvinistic hate and ignorance.
[–]Vegetable_Camera5042 30 points31 points32 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The interesting thing here is. That there is a double standard. Where women are more likely to be chauvinistic because of their trauma. Men are not allowed to use trauma as an excuse for sexism. For example an incel could have tons of unprovoke bad experiences with women. But nobody would try to justify that incel hatred for women.
[–]LAKnapper 23 points24 points25 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Because one is expected to be accountable and one isn't
[–]MastermindX 22 points23 points24 points (3 children) | Copy Link
The most voted answer is a woman who stopped talking with men because a man made a rape joke around her. She didn't get raped, she just got triggered by the joke. That's what they call "traumatized by males". That's how little it took for her to hate all men.
[–]AigisxLabrys 12 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism and first world problems go hand in hand.
[–]LAKnapper 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The joke was in very bad taste if you read the comment though
[–]MastermindX 17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven't read them, but it doesn't matter how in bad taste it was. I've heard women say things that are in very, very bad taste, and this didn't traumatize me and make me hate all women and never want to talk with any of them ever again. And they are all acting like this is a normal reaction. Some people need a bit of perspective.
[–]christina_murray_[S] 26 points27 points28 points (0 children) | Copy Link
(That’s not to invalidate this woman’s experiences with creepy abusive men either- it’s tragic that anyone should put up with that- it’s the whole “just wanting nothing to do with them anymore” and treating men as the enemy that I have a problem with)
[–]ApplePudding1972 20 points21 points22 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Posting TwoX is cheating.
[–]themolestedsliver 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Thankfully, reddit, in general, is becoming a lot more aware of this, at least.
The shit Twox says about men would make the piece of shit Andrew Tate blush if said about women.
[–]Miserexa 10 points11 points12 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I've experienced SA 6x, as well as DV, and I love and appreciate men because 99.9% of them haven't harmed me in any way, but rather have helped me. Being traumatized by men doesn't have to lead you to hate them. Women traumatize people too.
[–]White_Buffalos 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Very mature perspective. I agree.
[–]christina_murray_[S] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed- I was stalked by a married couple- a man and a woman- and I don’t resent men or women.
I’ll admit I did buy into a lot of misandrist claptrap for a little while, but never to the extreme extent that seems to have emerged recently where I resent and hate all of them.
[–]Vegetable_Camera5042 18 points19 points20 points (1 child) | Copy Link
"males"
The same people that are upset when people call them females.
[–]themolestedsliver 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It would be one thing if it was just a matter of prejudice, but the blatant double standards Feminists employ really tends to chap my ass.
Men not wanting to take female apprentices due to career ruining false accusations is them "self reporting" their perversion...and yet women not wanting to interact with men full stop is perfectly justifiable though?
[–]Polymer_Mage 9 points10 points11 points (2 children) | Copy Link
My (cynical?) take is that we all have that monkey brain potential to categorise entire categories of people as a hated enemy tribe.
What's going on in that thread is they are using guilt by association to manufacture a narrative where they are justified in their hatreds. It's an attempt to maintain moral purity while engaging in something darker.
People want to hate and they want to feel good about it. Recognising that it's wrong and denying yourself that hatred requires discipline/willpower, and that's not going to happen with people that deny their own agency
[–]Atlasatlastatleast 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I haven’t seen much writing about this sort of thing, with the exception of articles in this vein:
White tears, white rage: Victimhood and (as) violence in mainstream feminism
Another thing I think kinda fits is the concept of hybrid masculinities
I would like to see more about it these sort of things though.
[–]Polymer_Mage 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah weaponized victimhood and reactionary feminism, that link is talking about the same phenomenon but with a different framing. That makes sense because I'm coming from the POV of a misspent youth in LGBT activism arguing against sex negative feminism.
I too would like to see more conversation along these lines, and have been tempted to write cultural commentaries. But it's a very negative online space to inhabit and I'm reminded of Mark Fisher's Exiting the Vampire Castle
[–]Virtual_Piece 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand their feelings and honestly don't care if they don't want anything to do with men anymore. They're just a few women anyway, no reason to care
[–]ALUCARD7729 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk, but It took one woman to traumatize me as a minor to be distrustful of anyone