How to communicate with someone who constanly bring up redpill subjects?

jejuned · 2022-02-08T22:22:15+00:00

if you're not interested in challenging his beliefs (which is totally reasonable, that's a lot of emotional energy to expend on people that you personally know because there's more investment involved), i think you should start drawing your boundaries.

"hey, i can't have these discussions with you anymore, they really wear on me. i'd rather talk about things we both enjoy."

if he doesn't respect this, you walk away from the conversation until he gets the message or keep redirecting. "hey shirokage1415 do you think men can be friends with women?" "i don't wanna talk about that, we've talked about that a million times. did you see that new XYZ the other day?"

i'm not saying this is trivially easy, but it's better to draw the boundaries than to suffer in silence for sure

MelissaOfTroy · 2022-02-08T21:39:04+00:00

"Yes I would date them...tell me when you rejected them again?"

HGW86 · 2022-02-09T05:02:29+00:00

I'm sorry your friend is caught up in that bullshit. I'll try my best to help.

He is really good friend, but after girlfriend dumping him in a quite harsh way years ago + his quite long problems with physical health he beliefs all of it, because his experience kinda fits narration.

Oof, That's unfortunately precisely why your friend is suspectable to red-pill nonsense and why he's likely not going to really listen to any rational argument against it.

And that's the really fucked part of it because it's super easy to dismantle the piss poor logic of RP nonsense but men are not attracted to the red pill because it's logical. They are attracted to it because red pill rhetoric appeals to their emotions and experience in a way that makes them fixate on the stupid shit your friend is asking you about. That's not easy to dismantle!

The approach of setting boundaries that the other commenter suggested is a good one. If you can get him to engage in a different activity, he can at least stop fixating on that shit while's he hanging out with you. But I will suggest another.

From the sounds of it, I think your friend (though I wonder if he actually realizes it) is using the Socratic method on you, albeit he's probably doing a terrible job at it! The Socratic method has been used in debate for thousands of years, it's also the tactic police officers use to get a suspect to cough out the truth or what an attorney uses to find contradictions in a witness's testimony.

It's the tactic of asking a lot of open ended questions and getting the other person to contradict him or herself. Especially if he doesn't realize he's doing it, turn that shit right around on him and use the Socratic method on him, but you can read up on it and do it better!

Don't argue with him or tell him he's wrong or contradict the nonsense he tells you, just make him feel like you're listening to him and calmly keep asking him open ended questions and make him have to explain his red pilled opinions in HIS own words. Right now, he's probably just repeating whatever nonsense some very confident fuckface influencer said verbatim.

Sometimes, having to explain your own opinion is what makes you realize that it's actually really fucking stupid.

Also, here's the link to a group called "Smart Politics". Although it's more catered specifically to trying to talk to republicans/conservatives, the overall logic still applies with red pilled men.

https://www.joinsmart.org/

I hope this was helpful for you. You're a good person and a good friend for looking out for his best interest and I wish you luck!

AutoModerator · 2022-02-08T22:52:11+00:00

It not easy to change people so all you can do is talk to him about these subjects, talk about other subjects, or hang out with someone else.

But if you do talk with him, its best to poking him with questions. I will respond to his questions:

would you date with woman who has X partners?

My biggest concerns are STDs and whether this person can do stable relationships. But if I have good information these things aren't problems, and especially if I have a high partner count myself, then why not?

woman with a child?

There are some complications and downsides with being a step-Dad for sure but if I like her enough, and I like the kid, then why not, especially if I have a kid myself?

do you think friendship with woman if it's not leading to dating/sex make sense

Many relationships start with friendships. And you often meet women through their friends, so it might be valuable to have some female friends to meet other women. Also, I often enjoy my time with female friends, so why should I stop?

Some of my questions would be:

Are your opinions based on research-based science or pseudo-psychology and pop science found on the internet?

Have you looked into the financial motivations of these red-pill gurus and whether they are actually successful in their own lives and are real experts and not just grifting?

Have you looked into criticisms into redpill theories by psychologists, people in the mainstream, and other members of the "manosphere"?

Do you think women are all the same or do you think there is a lot of variety and differences among them?

Do you think your opinions are motivated by your bitterness towards your ex, and are you radicalizing yourself against all women because of what one woman did?

Title	How to communicate with someone who constanly bring up redpill subjects?
Author	shirokage1415
Upvotes	20
Comments	8
Date	February 8, 2022 7:35 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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