Question on Manospheric Dating Bias

fathergoose77 · 2023-05-09T02:36:39+00:00

I’m not as familiar with the YouTube content creator messages, but I know there’s a high correlation of people with white supremacist and far right wing ideologies and the manosphere spaces online. Lots of straight up racism and then internalized racism.

ave-nocturna · 2023-05-09T17:53:00+00:00

The treatment of black women in the manosphere is absolutely revolting, and just serves as further proof of how toxic, hateful and unhinged the community is. Degrading black women is a routine practice and openly tolerated in the manosphere, no one in the community bats an eye about it let alone does anything to try to correct it. The worst part is that it's primarily perpetrated by black men.

Even if you're somehow screwed up enough to be indifferent to misogyny, the fact that the community is so openly racist should be proof enough to realize how toxic this shit is.

l-arc-en-ciel777 · 2023-05-08T08:53:48+00:00

Me and my dad somewhat discussed this at some point, my dad was born in 1953 in the South, so his thoughts over the last 70 years have heavily influenced mine and I've seen some overlapping in my own personal life.

Some of it is self hatred amongst Black men, some of it IMO is part of the Black community, some of it is systematic. Like everyone has a part to play regardless of whose the victim and who isn't.

I think the self hatred is easy to explain, but in regards to the community, the black community is not very accepting and is easily divided. My dad got made fun of for being into bands like Chicago and Average White Band which are both White RNB/Classic Rock bands, and for me I was made fun of or looked down at for being half filipino, essentially things that are seen as "Not Black". I had buddy at work who was shamed for dating a latina woman at one point explicitly because she wasn't black by some of our black female co-workers.

Black people either reject themselves or overcompensate by rejecting other groups, even within their own group, the community still struggles with homophobia as is due to hypermasculinity present in the community as well. I think this is equally seen with how Black oriented Red Pill Content are WAYYY more overtly indignant towards women, compare StephisCold and Alexander Grace, Steph is way more upfront about how woman are just a clap and go affair, whereas Alexander Grace is more subtle and sneakily tries to incorporate science that backs up his thinking without any of the nuance or rebuttals for his arguments.

Systematically, this is when stereotyping and fetishism start coming into play. The stereotype of black people is that we're are more assertive and or aggressive than other groups, and while that benefits the men, it does not benefit the women which typecast them as aggressive and assertive even if they aren't at all. The inverse happens to asians where the docile and obedient stereotype of Asians is what contributes to fetishism of Asian women, but a frowning upon of Asian men. This one is super complicated, and even I haven't really gained a full grasp of it so I'm just gonna leave it here.

Sekina7 · 2023-05-08T17:41:50+00:00

This breaks it down: https://youtu.be/a20uymG2-K

There has been a effort to silence black women from within the community but some food for thought :

Black women have the highest maternal death rates of all races-directly linked to stress, poverty AND being the only race of women who out pace the men in terms of being breadwinners DESPITE black women being double minorities.

Black women AND GIRLS have the highest SA and second highest femicide rates of ALL RACES yet they have been and continue to be race loyal en masse while black men date out of their race the most of all races and genders

Black womens also have to deal with Colorism , featurism, texturise, sexism, misogyny AND misogynoir.

A huge change is coming and a great book that highlights why is the book written by a black man: Is Marriage for Whir People by Harvard Professor Ralph Richard It breaks down all the issues , abuse and prejudice that black women face uniquely at the hands of black men.

Minimum-Daikon9950 · 2023-05-08T05:33:39+00:00

Well Kevin Samuels is one of the biggest red pill content creators, and he definitely had a deep hatred for black women!! He would always speak in such a negative way about them, and you could actually see the difference in the few occasions that a white woman would call in when it came to how they he would speak to them and treat them versus when a black women would call in.

I’m a white Woman, and it would actually make me uncomfortable seeing the way he would street and speak about black women.

A lot of people in the red pill community idolize him, so obviously they following to his footsteps

sturgeo123 · 2023-05-12T16:43:21+00:00

The manosphere is kind of adjacent to a lot of far right racist movements so they absorb some of the racism. Fd signifier did a great breakdown of this in his connecting the manosphere video.

StarTrippinn · 2023-05-08T07:49:26+00:00

I wouldn't say that you're wrong to bring it up but this isn't the audience to ask this question in. They don't tried to date the pretty, popular black girls in HS and they were ignored. Other races of women MAY have given them the time of day a couple times and now all black women are insert whatever negative stereotype The truth is that Black men in the manosphere hate black women because they hate themselves. End of story.

Allusionator · 2023-05-08T08:19:57+00:00

Any system that is about the ‘superiority’ of one group to another is prone to being about other ‘superiorities’ as well. I’m sure there are plenty of black men who are either RP or a slight variation of the same misogyny where it’s the black woman who is the right one to be ‘protected’ vs the corrupted women of other races. They probably vaguely frame it around Africa, it’s the same lie to young men about a simple chosen identity of power and all that.

Koko_Mind · 2024-09-05T23:15:58+00:00

ssjbrysonuchiha · 2023-05-11T00:26:18+00:00

It's incredibly simple tbh. Just watch some of the Kevin Samuels clips on YouTube and you can quickly see.

It really boils down to what RP constantly talks about and what some women, typically black women, have a tendency to project: masculine attitudes and overly high standards. Many black women come off as very masculine with regards to how the speak or otherwise project their personalities. They also have a tendency to have absurdly high standards compared to what they actually offer a partner. Regardless of whether you believe it or not, black women are often stereotyped as being more loud, aggressive, and rude as compared to women of other races. It also doesn't help that most people don't find the brunt of black women to be physically attractive.

RP advocates for women to be feminine. Black women are generally the least feminine, and thus are going to look bad in the eyes of RP. You combine this with the above social stereotypes of black women, and it's really no surprise why black women are not reflected well upon in the RP sphere.

Title	Question on Manospheric Dating Bias
Author	Old-Vermicelli1951
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Date	May 8, 2023 5:03 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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