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Medium post from a guy on the Shitty Media Men list, who claims he lost his job and is being shunned by his industry over a false accusation.

mtcapri

January 30, 2020
28 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://medium.com/@mike_tunison/hi-im-on-the-shitty-media-men-list-but-maybe-you-already-knew-that-f446aed1f93b
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Title Medium post from a guy on the Shitty Media Men list, who claims he lost his job and is being shunned by his industry over a false accusation.
Author

mtcapri

Upvotes 28
Comments 17
Date January 30, 2020 5:51 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ew0ok9/medium_post_from_a_guy_on_the_shitty_media_men/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But cancel culture doesn't exist... nobody's life could possibly be ruined or even slightly negatively impacted by any of this... "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them"...

[–]Tmomp 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men's physical strength is nothing compared to the social and political strength women can wield like a weapon.

Moira Donegan, the woman who started the list, wrote in a New York Magazine essay months after its dissemination that she was “naïve because [she] did not understand the forces that would make the document go viral.”

They don't know how much power society gives them, which allows them to push for more while not noticing their collateral damage.

Can you imagine if men created a Shitty Nurse/Teacher/etc Women list? I expect that no one would believe or pay attention to it and many would probably cheer some of the women.

[–]mtcapri[S] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've often wondered about the apoplexy that would result if someone with influence suggested putting women who had been proven to have lied about a rape accusation on a list (similar to the sex-offender registry).

[–]SchalaZeal01 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Paul Elam made one called Register Her, and he's widely condemned by the left for it.

[–]mtcapri[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but that was about registering any woman accused of doing something harmful, not about registering only women proven to have done something harmful. Very similar to this "Shitty Media Men" list in that it's based effectively on rumor and opinion, so certainly provocative, but ultimately harmful in the same fashion.

If it was just a satirical suggestion, I'd give Paul Elam credit for lampooning the irrationality of the feminists he opposes, but the fact that he actually did it in earnest means he's just being as bad as they are.

As usual, my opinion of him is unchanged: he's a well-meaning MRA who nonetheless engages in sexist behavior for the sake of "balancing the scales," which just puts him in the same bin I have for problematic feminists.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suspect we'll look back on MeToo as social medias bigoted lynching or witch trial phase.

[–]mtcapri[S] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

As much as anyone is practically obligated to acknowledge the positive impact of #metoo, the fact of the matter is that it is a form of mob justice, and features no protections against false accusations. This is a major problem that is taboo to point out in society, so the men who become victims of it have no voice, because no one in the media will give them a platform to tell their stories.

This, combined with Obama’s OCR mandates, are ruining the lives of countless innocent men.

I hope that at some point in the future, future generations will look back on this moment in history and appreciate that there were horrible mistakes made, and that feminists were responsible for a biased and unjust movement, which might have been well-meaning, but was ultimately irresponsibly implemented and hugely damaging to many people.

But...I’m honestly not optimistic. False accusations are relatively rare, and that means the falsely accused will likely be seen as “acceptable casualties” for a very long time to come.

[+]Aaod1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I am not at all optimistic when we have historical examples of false accusations ruining peoples lives in the form of African Americans males being lynched on mere accusations made by white women that people refuse to acknowledge and in fact react VERY badly when it is pointed out to them. Plus people rationalize the hell out of their decisions and actions after making them and we have examples like when you talk to people who were against segregation.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There is some awareness today that this used to be a problem. It's estimated that around 30% of the lynchings were due to rape allegations, many of them likely being false (per of the opinions of contemporary observers).

Some modern sources try to downplay this by saying that 30% represents a "minority" of cases but even after that 30%, most of the allegations in general tended to be false. False allegations don't stop with just sexual assault.

I think anyone who's decently educated can see the pattern though. Even in the modern era we lock up innocent black men for decades at a time, only to let them go later when more evidence surfaces. And quite often it's due to sexual assault allegations.

I made a post about this a while back here with a bunch of sources:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e5ihjr/the_role_of_false_accusations_during_the/

[–]mtcapri[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

like when you talk to people who were against segregation because they can’t accept they were wrong or bad people.

Did you mean to say “against desegregation?”

[–]Aaod 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes from what I have seen they try and rationalize being against desegregating things or say nonsense statements like "things were different back then." because they can't accept they were wrong either factually, logically, or morally.

[–]mtcapri[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, that’s what I thought you meant. Unfortunately, I agree—there are plenty of historical trends that you see repeatedly throughout history, and there’s no reason not to expect them to repeat here as well.

[–]SchalaZeal01 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

obligated to acknowledge the positive impact of #metoo

The return of mob rule? No thanks. No positive impact to me.

You know well-meaning extremists, the kind who wants world peace or to save the world from real stuff...are seen as super villains?

A villain who has an overall goal which the heroes can appreciate in principle, but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are problematic; despite any sympathy they may have with their cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop them.

Light Yagami, before L pursued him until he became insane, was 'doing good' by only ridding the world of murderers already condemned, or hostage takers live during the hostage situation. But since he kills for his ideal...

Deadpool and the Punisher also fall in anti-hero largely because of their methods, disapproved by the "I cannot become like them" crowd.

But then there are less appreciated extremists, the kind who institute Equilibrium movie like authoritarianism. But hey, its to end wars, after WW3.

[–]Aaod 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Deadpool and the Punisher also fall in anti-hero largely because of their methods, disapproved by the "I cannot become like them" crowd.

Off topic but unfortunately most people fail to understand that and just look at people like the Punisher as a hero and I say this as someone who is a fan. The problem with deeper messages when also displayed in an interesting way is among the common audience it commonly becomes lost not just in comics but other media as well such as Clockwork Orange.

[–]mtcapri[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The return of mob rule? No thanks. No positive impact to me.

I think the positive impact one has to acknowledge is that it resulted in tons of actual victims being able to voice their experiences, and at least one actual rapist/sexual assaulter/harasser (Harvey Weinstein) to be taken down. It also drew attention to the problem of cultural silence in Hollywood about this issue, which I do believe was a serious problem.

You know well-meaning extremists, the kind who wants world peace or to save the world from real stuff...are seen as super villains?

Interesting point. I would say though that categorizing #metoo in black-v-white, evil-v-good, harmful-v-helpful dichotomies is reductive, and this should (ideally) be reflected in popular media too. It's had good impacts, but also bad impacts. This mixed impact should be acknowledged and center to it's appraisal. That is the most accurate view of it, IMO.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ozymandias in Watchmen literally bombed New York City to prevent WW3. He's seen as a villain.

[–]mtcapri[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but in Watchmen, the blurring of the roles of hero and villain is the point, which supports what I'm saying. Ozymandias is one of the world's greatest heroes, and one of the most incorruptible, in that he doesn't seem to have any of the character flaws that corrupt the other heroes. Still, his zeal to save humanity from themselves (cartoonishly mirrored by the Comedian) causes him to do something villainous.

The same can be said of #metoo: an undeniably good intention as its motivation, but evil via its execution and bias. And, like I said, Ozymadias's scheme has mixed results: it does prevent WW3, but only if his true methods remain a secret (which they don't, thanks to Rorschach's journal).

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