I am white and my girlfriend is Chinese. I met her in college while she was studying here, and continued dating after she graduated and got her green card.
I recently proposed to her and she said yes, but said I would need to ask her parents for permission before we get married. She also explained that it’s tradition that the groom pay the brides family a dowry in the form of a lump sum of cash.
Note: her sisters dowry was 80,000 RMB (~12,000 USD).
So we travel to Henan province to her home village and I ask her parents. Having looked up before hand online, I was expecting to pay a dowry of anywhere between 50,000 - 150,000. They end up demanding I pay 800,000 RMB (~120,000 USD).
The thing is, I’m successful and can definitely afford this amount of money. I would happily give away 120K to marry my girlfriend, however what angered me is the fact they were clearly asking for this much simply because I’m a foreigner. As I said, her sisters dowry was 1/10th of that.
There was no way I could decline this without pissing off her family, so I just declined as politely as possible and left. This initially upset my girlfriend thinking I valued the money more than her - but after reassuring her it was a matter of respect she said she understood and agreed her parents were trying to take advantage of me for being a foreigner.
So as you’d expect, my girlfriends entire family things I’m an asshole foreigner shitting over their culture/tradition. But to me, I simply resent being taken advantage of, and was happy to pay the normal amount.
My girlfriend and I would end up supporting them anyway as it’s chinese tradition. Why on earth should I pay them a crap load of money on top of that?
AITA?
[–][deleted] 43 points44 points45 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Jeebus, at a minimum $120K is a good down payment on a house. In some parts of the country that can buy you a small house out right.
[–]zubbs9922 points23 points24 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The dude's definitely getting the "tourist" price lol, what a joke.
[–]OLD-TRUCK15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Hell, where I live, 120k will get you a big house.
[+][deleted] [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
They got that wrong, in my country groom having top entry level government job gets this amount from the bride's family
[–]-Fender-9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's right. The girl's family should be the one paying a dowry. It's a way to say "Not my problem anymore, she's now your responsibility."
[–]andymgtow0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
India.
[–]WomenRnpcs 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You can buy a house in the majority of America for that much
[–]The_Matrix_Neo19 points20 points21 points (1 child) | Copy Link
falling in love will make you do stupid decisions likes these, be carfull fellas.
[–]Red_Pill_Dynamics2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
How's that old saying go?
Oh yea..."A fool and his money are soon parted"
[–]ChattRoom 16 points17 points18 points (3 children) | Copy Link
“NTA, but I say this with a skewed perspective because I could never imagine having to pay to marry someone I love. Its fucked up to me, but it's also someone's cultural tradition, so I'm not sure if my opinion means much and I am sorry for coming across as ignorant if this is offensive in any way.”
This is the top comment.
This captures a lot of why people are so fucking stupid today.
It starts with prefacing their perspective may not be fair. Then they say it’s fucked up TO THEM - best to make sure a second time that this is THEIR opinion and not fact. Then they go on to say their opinion doesn’t mean much because it’s not their own culture. Finally, they literally apologize not for their words or opinions but in case someone misinterprets and takes offense.
Jfc.
[–]zubbs998 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
God damn, well said, I get so tired of all this walking on eggshells, softening one's words so as not to offend, pre-apologizing to diffuse the possibility of misunderstanding. Fuck, when did society become such a pussy that it can't take some honest debate?
I mean this whole concept of buying off someone's family so you can then assume further financial responsibility for some dopey chick is fricking nauseating and someone needs to say it to these fools. This doofus is not even challenging the basic assumption here, because "tradition", he's just concerned he's overpaying. What a joke!
[–]ChattRoom 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
If these clowns are so concerned with respecting and preserving culture let’s sit them down and go over women and Islam.
The guy that made that comment should be able to unapologetically say “this cultural tradition is fucked up and you’re an idiot for going along with it.”
If it pisses people off, they will get over it.
Furthermore, since we’re specifically talking about Chinese culture, how many of these asshats are going to be defending and preserving the right to celebrate the Lychee and Dog Meat festival coming up in a few months? That’s a real popular one with the SJW’s eh? Or how about whaling in Japan? It’s their culture and therefore none of our fucking business, after all!
[–]Chad_Thundacock0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They're too concerned shilling for Reddit points and online validation lol, sad fucks they are.
[–]FlyingSexistPig15 points16 points17 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Uh, a dowry is paid FROM the bride's family TO the groom.
Her dad should be paying you $120k to take her off his hands.
[–]zubbs996 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's how I thought this was supposed to work! Something off with this trade deal.
[–]lordjippy5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Indian practice of dowry is for the bride to pay the groom. Chinese practice of dowry is for the groom to pay the bride.
[–]OLD-TRUCK14 points15 points16 points (2 children) | Copy Link
There is literally half a billion others just like her.
[–]immaluckez6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
4 billions lol
[–]OLD-TRUCK0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya know, I like this better lol.
[–]zubbs9912 points13 points14 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Most cringe-worthy line:
"I would happily give away 120K to marry my girlfriend..."
[–]NoHeadStark2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This line makes me think its a troll post. Also the one where he says he is successful and can definitely afford to pay that much.
So if he can afford to pay it and would happily give it away for his mail order bride, why doesn't he? Its a contradiction to me.
[–]Sir_manalot10 points11 points12 points (2 children) | Copy Link
A much more to honest trade.
[–]spiesvsmercs16 points17 points18 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Except dude might still get fucked over by US immigration and marriage laws if she decides he isn't cutting it.
If it was $120k and that meant no alimony, no child support, no split assets... OK maybe that's a reasonable deal (assuming the other party won't cut and run) but $120k is tip of the iceberg here.
[–]wathon220 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this. 120k for the privilege of bringing her to America and providing a good life. LOL.
The parents should be paying him 120k for taking care of their daughter for them.
[–]JayJayEcks8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Even an 18 year old third world virgin ain't worth even an eighth of that.
[–]ThePenitentMan386 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Frankly, I wouldn't touch an Asian bride with a 10-foot pole. Most of them are grifters.
[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon6 points [recovered] | Copy Link
He thinks that's bad, just wait until the divorce.
[–]Plus_ultra20023 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
With $120,000 I would rather spend it on a modest but comfortable house for my retirement.
[–]Methodless4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I wonder if there's any chance the girl has told her parents that he can afford it and they should ask for the moon.
She could "intervene" get it down to 60 and he might actually be excited to pay it.
I'm not Chinese, but my parents are the type where it it was tradition, they'd demand it, and then instantly use it against the principal on my mortgage
[–]zubbs995 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ding ding ding. She's playing dumb, but do you think this chump has any idea what she's actually telling her fam in whatever Chinese dialect they speak?
[–]turtleh4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Welcome the mainland chinese grift.
Don't try to apply your occidental values to theirs. These people are so skewed with a culture so different. Especially after cultural revolution made Chinese so poor that they have a sick view of it.
[–]ThePenitentMan383 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Pardon my insensitivity to "tradition", but this $120,000 " dowry " sounds like good old fashion greed to me.
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey better idea... don't fucking marry her. Seriously, a 120k dowry? In an age where she can just snap her fingers and divorce rape you? Are you insane?
[–]DaGoat4202 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
White guys that date asians are bottom of the totem pole.
[–]turtleh2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You bet. They're in on it. No other possibility.
[–]anongogogo2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Chinese means you marry their whole family too haha. This guy is fucked if he does.
[–]ThePenitentMan383 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
>>>you marry their whole family...
Sounds like plantation to the nth degree. The stupidity of men. Sigh!
[–]99posse1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like she and her family are taking advantage of the chump. My wife is Chinese and, despite both having good jobs, her family gave us money to buy the house.
[–]roxon890 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I could be wrong about this but my understanding is that traditionally a dowry is paid by the brides parents to the groom, not the groom to the parents.
[–]xeq9370 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Scam, this is not typical any longer.
[–]DreamOfGold0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's ironic he met her in college a normal way to meet someone, and he has to pay more than a mail order bride. Seems like no matter what if you want to marry a foreign person you're going to get screwed out of money.
[–]DiabolicAvenger0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yikes..... Yeah keep the cash (Assuming he has it handy) and just buy a nice house, or car, or boat....
[–]RedPilledSimp0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. I'll stick to the $20,- for menu item 25....
[–]HodlingSteady0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"Funny thing is, my family requires $140,000 before I can be married. So when will you be paying $20,000 difference?"
[–]MrMagtow0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This idiot knows nothing about Chinese culture. Once he pays, he never stops paying.
[–]razorl0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Chinese here, culture norm is up until 200k rmb, 800k is something newsworthy and that's the price if zuckberg want to marry Ivanka.