Apology to Christians

searangex · 2017-06-03T20:47:42+00:00

A nice, positive post. Thumbs up

LetsGoAllTheWhey · 2017-06-03T22:14:19+00:00

A christian, a vegan and a marine walk into a bar, I know this because they told everyone within two minutes.

iamlikethewindbaby · 2017-06-03T21:36:47+00:00

Some of the stupidest people I've ever met are atheists that will go out of their way to tell a Christian how dumb they are. True story.

slappydapussy · 2017-06-03T22:51:52+00:00

I am a born again Christian and as far as I am concerned you have the right to attack my beliefs and actions. You can, and I truly believe, should be intolerant of them. This is because I believe in dogma (not being dogmatic) and do not support relativism. If one encounters a belief that they think is wrong then they should challenge it for everyone's sake. This is being intolerant of beliefs and the same applies to actions. With that said, because I am called to love others, meaning to nurture and cherish them as human beings, I will tolerate them as people. But I have no qualms telling them they are wrong and will return the favor to inform them that they are mistaken in their beliefs.

GehrmanTheHoonter · 2017-06-04T01:58:14+00:00

Athiest here too. I don't mind if people are believers. I'll only tell them to fuck off if they try to convert me and won't let up after being told no.

hackableyou · 2017-06-03T20:39:31+00:00

Thank you!!

Asbestasio · 2017-06-03T22:07:35+00:00

i'm agnostic but i respect the history of christianity and how it basically formed europe during the middle-ages.

i believe that christianity did its best to make europe a decent place to live and it's its downfall that screwed europe over. i agree with most of its moral values. without it europe would have never get her shit togheter. i just don't believe in god and all those shenanigans, but i believe every person should strive to be a good person for everyone. if someone needs the prospect of a post-mortem lunapark for that i guess it's still the best outcome.

lie-deflector · 2017-06-03T20:53:54+00:00

Good to hear! Thank you OP

good_man_gone · 2017-06-03T21:02:49+00:00

Dont worry.

Trollmaster112 · 2017-06-03T22:44:07+00:00

No problem dude

FleshPanda · 2017-06-04T04:15:07+00:00

I'm not apologizing for shit. I generally don't like Christians because I believe them to be destructive to the very fabric of our society.

padraigmarcus · 2017-06-04T00:47:02+00:00

As a Christian, I know I'm not perfect. I've made tons of mistakes and will make more. I used to be very obnoxious and pedantic in political discussions. I learned from those mistakes. I think it is great to see you grow as a person by learning from your mistakes. People who grow, constantly learn, have virtue, etc. are the people we should seek be around. We don't have to agree on everything. Being around quality people can help us strive to be better versions of ourselves.

BassTooth · 2017-06-04T02:58:17+00:00

ITT a bunch of apologists patting themselves on the back. What does any of this have to do with MGTOW?

kp76 · 2017-06-03T22:25:37+00:00

The red pill does not only apply to women. I encourage to at least learn about the lessons Christianity teachs, even if you do not want to learn about God himself.

BHeletrica · 2017-06-04T01:35:30+00:00

Not true. if you care for the objective truth you cant respect religion.

genesic123 · 2017-06-04T01:36:03+00:00

This has nothing to do with Mgtow......

At least post it in some christian forums or reddit group

Solstus22 · 2017-06-04T03:06:39+00:00

I don't have a problem with religious people in general.

You know the saying: "Religions/Beliefs are like sexual organs, everyone's got one, but we don't whip it out in public and shove it down people's throats."

That aside, Christianity definitely had a lot of red pill wisdom. Makes sense a lot of famous figures went MGTOW in a manner of speaking.

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2017-06-04T03:13:50+00:00

I don't mind attacking Christian because they can attack me. Free speech is good.

nemosolder · 2017-06-03T22:31:29+00:00

so you believe in nothingness?(just asking)

chasingsnow · 2017-06-04T01:56:03+00:00

i'm super anti-christian.

i was raised Lutheran and by age 12 realized many of the things they were teaching me were straight lies and so anti-scientific advancement. i still hate that.

...having said that, i'd like to assume most MGTOW christians are good christians, aka the type that want to act like jesus, not tell you about jesus, that is just be good people and allow their belief system to rule their world and no one else's..

plus you gotta respect the way they're smart enough to build their religion around the shortcomings of women. they say oh a woman must be a virgin for marriage to be pure in the sight of God, nah, they're just smart dudes that know the low n-count means any chance of having a marriage and since religions like that often profit and need society to be very together and in a community, its smart to promote families that could actually last.

UDT22 · 2017-06-04T03:24:56+00:00

Christmas has always been about kids

587Boat · 2017-06-04T03:54:16+00:00

Consider if you will: six of the Ten Commandments don't even mention God. How wonderful would the world be if even those six were the underpinnings of all societies?

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Christian and my reasons are both personal and private.

verynormalsimple · 2017-06-04T06:12:46+00:00

I'm glad I don't consider myself an atheist anymore because not even they are making sense this days (I don't want to be mislabeled with that weird group making angry vaginas with feminist.

I'm not neutral about religions, the most ethical stance is to be against all religion (specially if they're basically fanatic murderers like muslims or christians) since it produces nothing of value but delusion, fanaticism, false idols, unnecessary social classes, waste of resources, illogical conclusions, sectarianism, unnecessary rivalry, etc. All we hate and criticize about Feminism are the same tools that religions have used for centuries like lies, lobby, rejection of observable truth, rejection of logic, rejection of facts, getting offended, hypocrisy.

Belrick_NZ · 2017-06-04T08:37:35+00:00

I would rather live in an christian state than not.

IAGMOW · 2017-06-04T11:15:34+00:00

All religion is control by humans of humans.
Saying that believe what you want as long as you don't harm anyone with those beliefs.
Unfortunately religions are and have always been hijacked by people with their own agendas.
Religions have killed the vast majority of humans that have previously lived on this planet.
I have nothing against belief and religion just it's weakness to be manipulated.

Keyhre · 2017-06-05T04:33:30+00:00

Here here. We were all trying to deal with the logic of the modern world, and going after the details of facts we totally missed the values aspect that is now ringing very true. I think all of us with common sense are adjusting course, myself included. Jordan Peterson has been a great balance in my own stance to this whole thing.

Udo70 · 2017-06-04T01:59:25+00:00

Good words bro. As a moderate atheist I agree. I've seen religion help some people very close to me through some hard times. When my father died the church rallied around my mum and her faith kept her strong.

Not my thing, but who am I to say I'm better than anyone else?

kp76 · 2017-06-04T02:22:06+00:00

Its such a shame you young kids today believe the liberal lies so thoroughly. There is a reason why democraps want you to abandon God. People without God, are easier to control.

Aeternalis_ · 2017-06-04T02:59:12+00:00

Criticism (in a logical way) is a good thing. I'm a christian and i'd rather you have your own mind and think for yourself than mindlessly believe everything we've said. God wants free will, that's why he gave us... us.

Steins2036 · 2017-06-04T03:17:09+00:00

Good thing you decided to be nice to them. I too was very aggressive toward believers of all sorts when I became an atheist but soon realized not all believers were an asshole. Although I hate believers more when they do shits that contradict their own beliefs though e.g. cheating on your spouse etc.

FreeNClear32 · 2017-06-04T04:59:15+00:00

I differ when it comes down to a spiritual person vs someone who believes their religious book to be factually true.

For instance,

I have no problem talking to someone who is spiritual and conversing with them and being respectful.

Now, if I'm talking to someone who states as fact that the story of Noah's Ark happened, I have no other choice but to be dismissive to them.

Small_But_Mightyy · 2017-06-04T05:11:12+00:00

Well I mean at it's core you're always making fun of the belief and not the person, right? I mean if they weren't Christian what would you be making fun of?

Not that I go out of my way to insult/make fun of religious people, but whenever I see it being advocated as a solution to a problem and/or trying to restrict action/thought then I'll dismiss it right away.

indus360 · 2017-06-04T05:25:04+00:00

i hope the christians you might've offended feel the same about not dissing people of other faiths and none at all. respect goes both ways.

Shimakaze4 · 2017-06-04T10:49:18+00:00

This is a bit of a grey area for me, I mean I don't want to be mean to those who believe in a god or a religion, but on the other hand, I have no respect for those who follow religions that say that because I am an Atheist, I should be either put to death or that I will go to hell and burn forever. It makes me view believers as hypocrites; being nice to my face while believing in something that says I will be tortured or should be killed...or both. It actually scares me, more so than any suicide bomber could. At least they are upfront with their intent to do you harm.

JosefDerArbeiter · 2017-06-04T11:34:03+00:00

Apology accepted. - Catholic

2017-06-04T11:55:42+00:00

It's not difficult to come around to Christianity when you take a deep, long look at the people running our society and realize how fervently they believe in and worship the opposite: whether you call it the Devil, or Mystery Babylon, or Satanism, Illuminatism, Masonry, the Kabbalah, or Theosophy... The ideas of Carl Jung and Edward Bernays are behind the grip that evil has over the world and how we take our current level of prosperity as for granted, something that we all deserve and damn whoever we have to crush to achieve it. This plays a large part in making human interaction so uncomfortable that living a less social life becomes the safer option.

DogFashion · 2017-06-04T14:25:09+00:00

I echo the sentiment of your post, sir. I've been atheist/agnostic/non-spirtual/non-faithful most of my life. I was raised Baptist. Lots of things didn't make sense, no one had answers to my questions, so I lost my faith and mocked and ridiculed those people for years.

Thing is, as an adult, I see those are mostly good people. Flawed people trying to find their way. Most of them would give you the shirt off their back if you were cold.

It makes me wonder if the increased degeneracy in our society has anything to do with less people following religion of some kind. Maybe some people really do need it more than others.

Life_advice_me · 2017-06-04T08:05:14+00:00

Yesterday we talked about politics; today is religion. I come here to contemplate the state of women. I (and I'm sure many others) am not interested in these pseudointellectual discussions on subjects that have nothing to do with MGTOW. Diam35 is right to appologize for trying to alienate his fello man but a post like this is counter-productive. This sub needs to welcome all men and shit like this just divides us.

daymon911 · 2017-06-04T16:47:53+00:00

I personally don't care what anyone believes. My only issue comes in when your beliefs interfere in public policy. Secular law is the only thing that ensures our freedom of religion

Title	Apology to Christians
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	129
Comments	120
Date	June 3, 2017 8:33 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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