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[β]slappydapussy60 points61 points62 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I've met only a handful of people in my life that would want to go to the truths booth. Everyone else is content with the lies.
[β]wildfireboat39 points40 points41 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hang out with those people
[β]redditttuser8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too, sadly.
[β][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk man, seems like most men around me are pretty aware. Even the ones that get married still know what they are getting into.. we even have a local radio morning show where men call in with their stories of bad exs.
For what it's worth my state is pretty red politically to
[β]dot_dot_beep1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same. In my life I've met three people in meatspace that had a clue about reality.
[β]thrash-unreal0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are times when I wonder if I think I want the truth, but when lined up and confronted with the choice I'd go for the lies.
[β]platysoup0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've gone through a huge chunk of my life at the lies booth. I thought it would make me happy.
Turns out I'd rather be hurt by the truth than know I'm dishonest with myself.
[β]nu21648 points49 points50 points 9 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
I was villified back in high school because I said my classmates were cowards for choosing a hypothetical false reality over the truth in a scenario question. People are generally cowards who can't tolerate any information that threatens a worldview that makes them comfortable.
[β][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Weak minded scum
[β][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Afraid to think for themselves. It's like their minds have been assassinated.
[β]TheseAreNaziDroids7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
I said my classmates were cowards for choosing a hypothetical false reality over the truth in a scenario question.
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.
[β]nu21618 points19 points20 points 9 years ago* (32 children) | Copy Link
In our English class our teacher gave us a question based on the book we read in which the protagonist erased his own memories of bad experiences so he could be happy. The question was along the lines of what my classmates and I would do in his place and most of them chose the memory deletion option. When asked why I was the only one who disagreed with the memory deletion option I said it was cowardly and that the truth was more important to me than my happiness.
[β]TheGillos11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I had something similar when my class read 1984. Most, by far, chose to follow the rules, live their lives as best they could. I got into a debate with my teacher when she said I was just trying to go against the grain saying "I'd rather die than live in a totalitarian state like that", that truth and freedom are the most important things.
I got a 60% on that English class assignment. My friend in the class got a 92% even though she had many spelling errors, points were half backed up by the text, and she admitted to me she didn't even read the whole book. To her credit she did parrot the teacher's points pretty well.
The main reason I exited school with a critical and inquisitive mind is that I didn't care about marks. They couldn't fail me, I'll take the 60, fuck you.
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[β]TheGillos6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It was a while ago, but from what I remember she thought that people should follow the rules of law, and work within their society. They shouldn't rock the boat because if they do they might die or get tortured. She basically didn't seem to think I had the balls to die and was just saying that to be a contrarian.
[β]Returnofthemack32 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What a fucking idiot. Yeah, because in the setting of 1984, you could 'work within society' to get anything changed. She's a fucking retard. If no one was willing to die in order to fight oppressive regimes, a lot of places in the world would be like N. Korea. Again, she's such a dumb cunt
[β]TheGillos2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She was a very dumb cunt. She had a small, browbeaten husband and a sycophantic little son. A shit show of a life.
[β]CumInTheCunt1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So she's an ant who likes to tell other ants to follow. Not much different from a lot of religious nutcases.
[β]Returnofthemack3-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I dont think she's saying to agree with it , but rather to keep your head down for your own safety. That's a really shitty message either way though, and should not be what you derive from reading that book.
[β]Urishima0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
should not be what you derive from reading that book.
But is it?
Ultimately all the protag did was futile and the system kept him around for a while as a trophy, before eliminating him.
I think what Orwell was saying is that you can never allow it to get that far, or it will all be over. But once it gets there, there is nothing you can do.
Depressing book. But the truth tends to be that way.
[β][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's insane! Your teacher was wrong and should be reprimanded for encouraging submission to totalitarian thinking.
[β]TheGillos10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
She was a terrible teacher. I ended up barely passing her course.
Funny anecdote: my friends were making fun of me for getting such shitty grades. So one assignment I just listened to what she said in class, wrote down everything, then rephrased it and put it in my assignment. I got an A+ and a big pink-lettered "Much Improved! Great Work!" on the top.
I showed it to my friends to shut them up. Then I went back to my standard, do what I want, almost get an F standard. Haha.
[β][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Disgusting! School shouldn't be about information retention and regurgitation.
Anyhow, I'm sure that was highschool and had zero impact on your professional and adult life.
[β]TheGillos2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes it was HS, and yes it had zero impact on my life outside HS.
[β]Returnofthemack32 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
wow....what the actual fuck. Any teacher that punishes you for that mindset in a discussion of 1984 should be disbarred. That's just insanity; she's basically encouraging people to toe the line in the fact of unjust oppression lol. What year was this if you dont mind me asking? Also-was it in hs?
[β]TheGillos1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Early 2000s, around 2002. Yep, it was highschool.
[β]tacochops0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God damn this brought back memories, I don't know if it's just me but years ago when I was in high school, I found most assignments in English classes end up being way too subjective. I worked my ass off on assignments/reports and only got low 70s. I always looked at the grading rubrics beforehand as well and it's always the most vague shit. "Demonstrated an acceptable/satisfactory/great/excellent level of understanding of the material". It really seemed like the more points I had made, discovered, and backed up with data, all on my own, gave me a worse grade. Of course the more points I made that were the exact same as the ones the teacher said in class, the better grade I got - even though the teacher explicitly said they didn't want us to regurgitate what they talked about.
Fuck. My grade average really changed the undergrad school I went to as well.
[β]TheseAreNaziDroids6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Interesting, I don't know what I would choose. I have a lot of painful memories that I would like to erase, but in a way having them makes me stronger and less likely to repeat my mistakes.
[β][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They also make you who you are.
[β]TheseAreNaziDroids0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, I don't like to be defined by my mistakes. They help me get to a better place sure, but in the end I want to be in control of what makes me who I am.
[β]Returnofthemack31 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
right. You can't dwell in the past and let it define your present and future, but the past informs you and imparts valuable lessons you learn from, which gives you wisdom, knowledge, and strength moving forward. Without your past, you're not you
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[β][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind?
[β]nu2160 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's a movie. I don't remember the title of the book.
[β][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I could have sworn it was a book first, my bad.
[β]nu2160 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I was surprised myself.
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[β]nu2162 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand why you would ask me that question. I've never expressed the opinion that memory deletion as a therapeutic technique should be banned or abolished.
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[β]nu2161 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Just because I think someone is acting cowardly by doing something it doesn't mean I want that act banned.
Like would you think I wanted screaming at the sight of a bug to be banned because I called the act cowardly? Come on, man.
[β][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is that a cure or a workaround? PTSD therapy deals with the trauma directly and has you confront the horror you've experienced allowing you to move on. I'd theorise memory eradication is a bit like amputation when physiotherapy is still an option.
[β][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is that a cure or a workaround?
Semantics. The best approach is to just do what has the best outcome and by best I mean that one that allows the person to lead a normal life.
[β][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They forgot to add the picketers and SJW's.
[β]former-human28 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's not just women and MGTOW that's the whole of society.
[β]MigrainesRcontagious8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We are living in a time very reminiscent of Plato's "Allegory of the Cave". Ignorance, especially the willful type, is both comfortable and self-deluding.
[β][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah, a line up for chad and the other for the 80% males
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[β][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lol I was going to use Red Pill Vs MGTOW as the title but I did not want any drama.
Those of us who get that red pill is nothing but a different side of the same coin.
[β]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
it's about different levels, because black pillers see everyone else that way, even us MGTOW
[β][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wtf is a black piller now?
[β]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
this blog is a good start to understand it, but in short: the rabbit hole always goes deeper
Don't have time to read all that. There is no rabbit hole buddy. It's all in the head.
[β]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not a black piller, you don't have to jump to my throat, bro.
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[β]oh_that_track_suit3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I kinda think mgtow is the comforting lie. But who knows in this crazy, topsy turvy world.
[β][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Before we get to the lie part, How do you find mgtow comforting?
[β]oh_that_track_suit2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I don't find it comforting. But I'm guessing people who label them selfs mgtow do.
[β]toldoke1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Do you think mgtow is a comforting lie? If yes, why? Facts don't lie imo. And if it is not a secret, who do you lable yourself as?
[β]oh_that_track_suit-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
No, I in no way find what the mgtow represents comforting. And while it's almost impossible to talk about your personal philosophies without sounding arrogant, I find myself in a few camps: nihilisim, post-humanism, and realism.
[β][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
You're a mgtow. If you don't think anything has any intrinsic value as a nihilist then that would include love, marriage and the rest of the sugar coated shit they sell and that would make you a man going his own way by default.
There is only one core belief with MGTOW and that is that love, romance etc. is all a load crap and monogamy is trap. Everything else is just building on that premise and everyone is free to do as they please. A lot of MGTOWs prefer to continue having sexual relationships and some go monk mode. Everyone approaches the basic premise in their own way. This is not a cult. This is just a group of people who agree on one basic fact.
[β]oh_that_track_suit0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Ya not a mgtow. Currently in a long term relationship with my partner who considers herself a feminist. And I feel I've gone no other way but my own my whole life. So is that m(e)gtow. Is my relationship mgtow?
[β][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
If you don't "love" your partner and have no intentions of getting the government involved in what you two get upto in the bedroom (i.e. Marriage) then you're mgtow.
It's very simple, are you sure you're not a woman pretending to be a man? Because men usually understand things pretty quickly.
[β]oh_that_track_suit-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Lol i think your a perfect example that that's not true. Those weren't real questions dude. But I guess you needed that explained to you. And I do love her, it's presumptuous of you to think it would be another way, but you were right were not getting married. So 1 out a 2 not bad I guess. I mean it's only 50% but hey who's counting.
[β][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Love is an abstraction.
[β]pleasantlyplumpy1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Though everyone is presented with these two choices.
The unpleasant truth must always be faced, sooner or later.
[β]Trek130 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
or not.... a few hundred thousand dead Arabs, 10,000 dead and 50,000 wounded Americans based on a lie. And now TrumpleThinSkin????? Orwell was prescient thats for sure
[β]lildanny9111 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The ignorance is bliss crowd
[β][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So true.
Sadly this is most of life.
[β]hiddenonion1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This cartoon is an unpleasant truth.
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[β]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TBP = #JustSaltyRoastieThings
;-)
[β]soullessgeth1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
red pill is also in the comforting lies section, with pua crap.
I agree with this point, initially I was going to title the post as "Red Pill Vs MGTOW" but I didn't want to create any agruements Lol
[β]soullessgeth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
i mean...i don't see why it is up for debate even on this sub but...yeah red pill types do occasionally get triggered by that sort of thing here.
this sub is called mgtow and red pill is pretty much by definition not mgtow, but whatever
[β]8017350 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Offering truth usually leads to butthurt because it implies bad decisions in the ones wrongdecisioned life.
[β]frikabg0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The truth is not for anybody. Its for those who search for it and can take it all the rest of the people just keep on living lying to themselves and their lives and suffer more because of their own foolishness.
[β]wordjedi0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is how I felt in the last election. A lot of people are very emotionally invested in working hard and their labor having value, but really there's a big labor surplus in developed countries, so wages are being squeezed down below the high cost of living there. When there's a glut of something on the market, the price goes down. It's time for UBI in developed countries, but too many people are too proud of their labor, so they will sit and wait for things to go back to the 1970s and vote for any fool who says he can turn the clock back.
[β]CBarnacle0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The uncomfortable truth in this example is that women entered the workforce en masse from the 1970s onwards and have saturated the market with labour.
[β]wordjedi0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point! I've read lots of articles about home ownership being no longer affordable with a single income for most people, but during the same period average houses (in the US) almost doubled in size.
Family size is down though, so it's not like we're packing more people into those extra rooms. People had two paychecks coming in, so they splurged. Now housing stock is way bigger and more expensive than most people can afford, especially in large cities.
[β]camenossaber0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone considers me a crazy asshole. I always tell them.. "...you keep sedating yourself with blue pills while I keep taking my red, enjoy your delusion.." And I always drop this about any kind of "truth", not just women and relationshits type crap. This image is phenomenal, I wanna frame it ππΌ πΈ
[β]Drogden0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can someone zoom this out to see the rest of the world lined up?
If there was a literal stand for "unpleasant truths" I'd binge on that until I was truly enlightened
[β]ChuckFiinley-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pure marketing. Why would you call your product "unpleasant".
"Releasing truths", why don't say you?
[β]throwawayfucking9000-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk why it's so hard for you guys to just not be bitter and petty. The core message of this sub is actually pretty good, but you guys ruin it.
[β]oh_that_track_suit2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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