people are taxed at half their productive output when you include payroll taxes, income taxes, property taxes, consumption taxes, tariffs, excise taxes, etc.
that doesn't even include the enormous cost government regulation causes in both money and lives
having a discussion about "balanced theft" is a total joke in that context
besides, taxes are in no way, shape, or form a necessary evil
It was you who claimed theft is a necessary evil. It's cute you think it's my responsibility to disprove your unproved positive claim, but I have no interest not playing that game. If you're actually interested in this discussion, I would recommend you read this book. You can find it online if you like.
Well in the US if you're financially independent with low spending it's definitely possible to avoid being a net tax contributor, though if you want any kind of decent lifestyle you'll probably end up paying at least a little income tax.
Then there's the big jump to if you are super wealthy you can move to PR and get preferred tax treatment while retaining US citizenship. Of course, some people are okay with renouncing their US citizenship to avoid taxes.
Ok. You want roads, I want roads. We agree to start with.
Your solution to our mutual desire for roads? Take my money, if I refuse to hand it over, have me shoot or put in prison and/or take my property by force and sell it in order to fund your roads. Once you have the money, pay politicians, IRS agents, and law makers to decide how and where the roads should be. Then waste 50%+ of the money on non-essential things to making a road. Then 'hire' the 'contractors' who donated the most to the right people's campaigns even though they are ridiculously over priced and do an absolutely terrible job at maintaining the roads we want. (this is just a brief summary. In reality, there is a lot more wasted time and effort involved).
My solution - Let the market work it out. There are private roads in existence, and there have been in the past. Do you really think that the free market, which has created and sold the most complex and incredible products, and done it so damn well that even very poor people in the country can buy a TV, cell phone, car, and other extraordinary items, can't figure out how to make roads. News Flash. A road is just a long flat surface. Rocket science it is not. If you think Ford is able to bring products from literally around the globe together, then form them into vehicles, then distribute them back around the world but they can't figure out how to make a long flat surface for them to drive on, you are a fool.
All this being said, however, the argument for taxation vs no taxation comes down to this. Are you willing to kill or imprison a peaceful person who has harmed nobody if they don't comply with what your personal preferences and desires? If yes, you are a morally bankrupt piece of shit. If no, then you can't support taxation.
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taxation with equal representation is still theft... or more accurately extortion
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people are taxed at half their productive output when you include payroll taxes, income taxes, property taxes, consumption taxes, tariffs, excise taxes, etc.
that doesn't even include the enormous cost government regulation causes in both money and lives
having a discussion about "balanced theft" is a total joke in that context
besides, taxes are in no way, shape, or form a necessary evil
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It was you who claimed theft is a necessary evil. It's cute you think it's my responsibility to disprove your unproved positive claim, but I have no interest not playing that game. If you're actually interested in this discussion, I would recommend you read this book. You can find it online if you like.
Good luck
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Correct. The affairs of others is not my concern. I will gladly aid family and friends. Bumfuck drunks and junkies? No
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Well in the US if you're financially independent with low spending it's definitely possible to avoid being a net tax contributor, though if you want any kind of decent lifestyle you'll probably end up paying at least a little income tax.
Then there's the big jump to if you are super wealthy you can move to PR and get preferred tax treatment while retaining US citizenship. Of course, some people are okay with renouncing their US citizenship to avoid taxes.
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Ok. You want roads, I want roads. We agree to start with.
Your solution to our mutual desire for roads? Take my money, if I refuse to hand it over, have me shoot or put in prison and/or take my property by force and sell it in order to fund your roads. Once you have the money, pay politicians, IRS agents, and law makers to decide how and where the roads should be. Then waste 50%+ of the money on non-essential things to making a road. Then 'hire' the 'contractors' who donated the most to the right people's campaigns even though they are ridiculously over priced and do an absolutely terrible job at maintaining the roads we want. (this is just a brief summary. In reality, there is a lot more wasted time and effort involved).
My solution - Let the market work it out. There are private roads in existence, and there have been in the past. Do you really think that the free market, which has created and sold the most complex and incredible products, and done it so damn well that even very poor people in the country can buy a TV, cell phone, car, and other extraordinary items, can't figure out how to make roads. News Flash. A road is just a long flat surface. Rocket science it is not. If you think Ford is able to bring products from literally around the globe together, then form them into vehicles, then distribute them back around the world but they can't figure out how to make a long flat surface for them to drive on, you are a fool.
All this being said, however, the argument for taxation vs no taxation comes down to this. Are you willing to kill or imprison a peaceful person who has harmed nobody if they don't comply with what your personal preferences and desires? If yes, you are a morally bankrupt piece of shit. If no, then you can't support taxation.
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At that point he should try being a criminal... I mean how else can you get out of a trap like that? 400 check? His life is over
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