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[–]CeleritySteam184 points185 points186 points 8 years ago (109 children) | Copy Link
Government cucking: Roughly 40% of income. Female cucking: Roughly 40% of income. Left for the guy who actually worked: Roughly 20% of income.
Do not stick your dick in crazy (females = crazy), do not wageslave.
[–]Hugeman33127 points128 points129 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This is why men commit suicide so much.
[–]longooo236 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Would you rather be a starving slave working 70+ hours a day trying to make enough money not to go to prison while your ex wife fucks his new bf and not being able to see your child, working 7 days a week with no vacation during the next 18 years or kill yourself and rest?
I would kill myself too
[–]Jimbo_Throw22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
70+ hours a day? I would not even have to kill myself, I would just die.
[–]AllahHatesFags6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'd murder-suicide, or just murder and attempt to get to Belize.
[–]dakturis2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OJ
[–]AllahHatesFags1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Invest in gloves.
[–]Rockman97 69 points70 points71 points 8 years ago* (76 children) | Copy Link
cough also taxation is theft cough
Edit: This blew up more than I intended. I was making a meme lol. I don’t wanna discuss economic policy on the mgtow sub. But I guess it’s time to read all these responses.
[–]richardhead666612 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link
Got a point, taxation without equal representation is the key though! That’s what’s really being argued here am I wrong?
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[–]richardhead66662 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
All taxes are theft but they are a necessary evil. The key is balance. A large federal gov will give you high taxes and no representation threw your local state gov.
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[–]U96Q698 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Most people missed inflation as a tax, I don't blame you.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sales taxes too. An extra ~6.75% is added to nearly all goods and services you use on a regular basis. The state gets 3k-4k a month from me you (technically) like that.
[–]Justathrowawayoh4 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
good point, I should have included inflation
[–]richardhead6666-4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Having a discussion without putting forward a better replacement sys. Firstly Is a joke in that context.
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[–]richardhead66665 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol dude you offered no replacement in the initial start of our argument which is usually key to a good debate! But since your so quick to be defensive, I’m pretty sure your a chick.
[–]CeleritySteam8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The primary benefit of taxes is single mothers because they're not getting enough cash and prizes already.
[–]CheckMyMoves0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't know. I like the roads I drive on, the military protecting me, and a few other things that taxes cover for me. I'm not a fan of the percentage I'm paying and it's absolute bullshit that every purchase I make is just another another leech for more tax money, but I definitely understand the principle and agree to a point.
What I hate is the social programs for people I don't care about at all.
[–]CeleritySteam2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Actually sales tax is one of the ones that is actually used for useful things. But income tax, that's just you being cucked.
[–]thetompain 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not having your income stolen is a better replacement than having your income stolen.
If you are asking how institutions would be funded, they can follow the model of non-profits and ask for donations. If the services are so good, they shouldn't have to force you to pay for them.
[–]richardhead66660 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This idea would upend society and the dudes on the top would suicide you Hillary Clinton style. It’s a good idea, I was just wanting substance to the argument so I could understand better where dude was coming from.
[–]thetompain 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is very theoretical and not the kind of thing I would implement in a large country overnight. There are projects trying to get some freedom in small areas, like islands or seasteads.
Government was necessary in the past, but I truly believe some of us have evolved enough not to need it. I make the comparison to Nietzche's "the ubermensch". I think the next step for mankind is absolute freedom and based on macro trends it seems we are slowly heading that direction.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Better replacement is to leave everything up to the market.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Or we can make do without taxes entirely. Whether someone i dont know dies of starvation is not my concern, so why should i pay taxes?
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[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But by paying taxes youre not aiding friends and family so much as you aide bumfuck drunks and junkies. And finance their medical care after they fuck up their health as well.
[–]dakturis1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very little of our taxes money goes to help bums. Most of it goes to keeping rich people rich and bombing brown people. We live in a post scarcity world, and desperate people do desperate things. Taxation is theft, but I'm more okay with my stolen money being used to help people who need it, than I am for corperate subsidies or global policing.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From what I understand most of the tax money goes first to entitlement and welfare programs then to military upkeep then to everything else.
And we don't live in a post scarcity world. Only part of the world has no scarcity and is properous - as it has always been. The empire(s) exploit the weaker nations and take their shit and resources becoming prosperous.
I'd rather use the money to bomb brown people than to help lazy ass bums.
[–]richardhead66660 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
They is two things sure in life, death and taxes. I believe Thomas Jefferson said that. If you don’t ever start paying taxes, you don’t ever have to. The only problem is, gangsters in the past got screwed eventually cause of this loophole.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
death is certain, i agree. But taxes, don't have to be. I disagree with Jefferson there.
If I can avoid paying taxes someday, I will. And if they try to catch me, I'll move to Russia (small taxes which can probably be avoided, hot women, and I can live on the cheap like a king).
[–]richardhead66660 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lol that’s a plan. You have to have not paid taxes to begin with not ever have to pay them. So essentially you need a woman you can trust to put everything in her name(😂). That’s how most gangsters are taken down.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So essentially you need a woman you can trust to put everything in her name(😂)
LOL. A woman you can trust? That's a paradox. Surely you jest good sir?
[–]richardhead66661 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes I’m joking. You launder the money and buy everything you want. You have to do it slowly, like get shit on credit and make it look like your just like everyone else.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Exactly. People get busted because their lifestyle does not match their salary. Don't buy expensive shit, buy experiences and women (preferrably with cash) so if anyone accuses you, you can deny. That's why you need dual citizenship so you can travel with your other passport, while keeping your countries of residence passport clean.
Check and check lol😉
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[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ah shit. You can avoid citizenship to not pay taxes? I didn't know that. What are the cons of renouncing citizenship??
[–]BoobToArmRatio1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't know too much about it, but I think you might have a harder time entering the country in the future when visiting.
[–]MenGoingTOWin9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Income tax didn't exist for the first almost 150 years of America.. It was unconstitutional until the 16th ammendment in 1913.
[–]richardhead66664 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The creature that came from Jekyll island. Woodrow Wilson regretted the creation of the federal reserve on his deathbed.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same year that we started letting a private institution, The Federal Reserve, print our money and loan it to the government with interest.
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[–]MenGoingTOWin3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm employeed and they would get it from my check one way or another. Also could be imprisoned like Al Capone.
[–]mr_punchy3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
.... So lets make everything private. Private roads, hospitals, schools, prisons. That will be better for everyone right?
Oh you must have never been near a privately owned toll road and got to enjoy paying $5 just for the right to drive on it for a few miles.
Taxes arent theft. Its how societies pay for infrastructure. If you dont like how they are spent become more active in politics.
This sub can be interesting, but its also full of a lot of whiners who dont think things through.
[–]thetompain 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would rather pay $5 for something I use than give 40% of my income to corrupt politicians.
There is a lot of libertarian literature that explains how such a society could function without compulsory taxation. Murray Rothbard is the key figure in that realm of theory.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Id rather pay $5 for driving a few miles on a toll road once, than pay thousands for roads ill never drive on and to support people i dont know and think are human biowaste.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well there you go. If you didn't pay taxes, you'd save alot more money paying the $5 for the roads you DO drive on.
[–]SovereignSoul765 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
"It's the cost we pay to live in a civilized society! Hur durrrr"
Oh you must have never been near a privately owned toll road and got to enjoy paying $5 just for the right to drive on it for a few miles ...Also, look at this example I just made up out of thin air!
...How does it feel to have Stockholm syndrome?
[–]CheckMyMoves9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Making fun of the person you replied to while never refuting what they said shows that you lack a decent point to argue.
[–]SovereignSoul76-2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
I'm not writing a fucking essay on taxes, for some anonymous reader on reddit. You want an education: go get one on your own.
It's funny that people like you and mr_punchy come here and claim to "Go your own way" but will actively support forking over 30% of everyone's paycheck to the government, because only "whiners" don't want to. That's not MGTOW; it's ideologically and financially supporting the collective societal cock that is used to fuck everyday guys in their asses on a regular basis.
Some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance with you idiots....
[–]ottermoobies1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
u still got no argument besides whinning
[–]SovereignSoul763 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Enjoy pretending to "go your own way", while also happily supporting the bureaucratic machine that is designed to prevent you from succeeding in doing so.
This place has seriously gone down hill.
[–]DailyChupa 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah man I'm with you, the government is the ultimate cuck and they've brainwashed most people from state run education at a young age that 50% of their produce needs to go to the Staye in order to have a functioning society. The cognitive dissonance is absolutely correct , there's nothing MGTOW about forking up 40% of your wealth to the Nancy miss-money managers in Congress. It's the ultimate curse to society and one can only defend it with their State run education they received when they were 7 years old. Makes me sick.
[–]CheckMyMoves-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Again, you're not presenting an argument at all. I understand the utility of being taxed even though I don't care to actually pay taxes. I don't care for the social programs being funded by my time/money, but I do benefit greatly from the roads they maintain, the military it props up, and other public services like my library and parks. I don't agree that I should have to pay what I do for those things knowing that a portion of my taxes is going to stuff like Section 8 housing, welfare, WIC, etc, but I'm not opposed to keeping things I use on a daily basis in good working order.
This is the part where you chime back and express how you think I'm wrong. That's how adults talk out differences of opinion. As bitchy as you've been in your past few comments though, I'm thinking you're more bitch than man though.
[–]SovereignSoul76-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not worth my time. Good luck, chief.
[+][deleted] 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
This isn't about roads but it is related anyways. At one point I built computers so I'd constantly be ordering parts and then assembling them for my customers. That gave me plenty of experience with all three major shipping companies - the post office, which is government run and UPS/FedEx which are private businesses. Long story short the government wasn't spending their own money so they botched the greatest number of deliveries and also had the least resistance about paying out when they did lose or damage something. Private businesses didn't make as many mistakes but also were much more resistant about paying for their own mistakes since they'd come out of their own pocket. Often if they would pay they'd pay the shipper which in this case was the merchant I bought the components from who already had my money from the initial order.
So how does all this relate with roads? Very simple, people are only remotely responsible and disciplined with their own money if that so if you let private businesses do it there will be less waste since they actually want a profit margin and repeat business. It will also go a lot faster, construction of any sort is only slow as fuck because of all the regulations. As another example try searching around for quotes on how long building a house takes, they claim about a year. Yet I've personally seen houses be constructed fully from the empty lot stage and it required about oh... 6 weeks. This was a few decades ago though so there was probably less regulation then.
[–]CheckMyMoves1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"If you have a different opinion than me, you are an immoral piece of shit."
That's your argument, in your own words, boiled down to what you really want to say. You don't even understand how road maintenance is worked out. As far as milling and repaving goes, along with the initial paving, much of that is handled by private contractors like you said. General potholes and other easy couple hour projects are handled by each states' department of transportation.
I actually did sitework prep, from commercial jobs to putting in roads, for four years with a relatively small company in my early twenties. They in no way contributed to a political campaign for anyone. Most of the jobs we received fell under simple orders from a small projects contract we had with two of the larger cities neighbouring our own. The contract was only won because we had one of the lowest bids. There's nothing controversial about it at all because those jobs don't actually bring in a while lot compared to doing private jobs and can pull resources from more lucrative jobs due to contractual obligations you have with the city to prioritize their sites. That can easily lead to a domino effect where workers are putting in unintended overtime because of a lack of machinery, manpower, or both.
You don't even understand the process you used as your counterpoint, but you're likely 100% certain, even after reading this far, that you know that privatization would be more effective and far better. What happens when major roadways get fucked up? A private company has theoretically made its money off the commuters. Where's the motivation to repair anything as long as it can still be driven down in some fashion? With a public Staten, you can at least bitch until something gets done. With a private roadway, all the contractor has to do is ignore complaints or charge commuters again for repairs... Unless you'd rather pay a toll every time. I don't see how anyone with a brain could get behind that idea though.
[–]MyTwoCents1010 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, I am 100% fine with tons of ways of making roads that are different from my ideas. What makes someone who wants to do it with taxation an immoral piece of shit is the fact that you are willing to have me killed or put in jail to do it your way. I'm not willing to kill someone, or put them in jail, because they don't like my way of doing things. You are.
No, I am 100% fine with tons of ways of making roads that are different from my ideas.
You're only saying that to sugar coat your argument. There are no other ways besides privatization and tax-funded.
What makes someone who wants to do it with taxation an immoral piece of shit is the fact that you are willing to have me killed or put in jail to do it your way.
Who the fuck is going to kill you over taxes? Even jail is pretty far-reaching. If you were audited, you'd just have your check garnished. Unless you're trying to get out of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, you have incredibly tiny odds of facing any criminal penalty.
There are many ways within privatization is my point. All of which are fine since they don't involve using violence or threats of violence.
If I don't pay my taxes like a good slave the government will come and garnish my check. If I don't have a check to garnish, they will come and take my belongings. If I don't give them my belongings obediently, they will take them by force. If I try to defend my property/belongings, they will have me shot.
Your argument is like saying that the mafia isn't going to kill the person who they are forcing to pay for 'protection'. As long as you pay your protection money, you won't be hurt.
How about you just don't try to steal my money you thief. Maybe try that?
"If I don't have a check to garnish" then you don't have to worry about taxes. Lol
I am a freelance writer. I don't have a check to garnish. General contractors and construction workers don't have checks to garnish in many cases. Many many people don't. And you're missing the point anyway. Just because they have the ability to garnish my check (steal my money) doesn't make it right.
It always astounds me how much some people are willing to defend theft.
[–]mr_punchy-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
I said this sub was interesting not that I agreed with your ridiculous life philosophy. Im not "going my own way" and certainly not with a group of borderline incels. I didnt spend 20 years of my life developing social skills to spend it with people like you.
Instead of imagining some giant evil machine that's out to get you, imagine a train.
Sorry dont want to get too advanced here. I think people like you call them "choo choos". This train choo choo is filled with people all going somewhere. Some are up at the front, where its really nice like a 5 star hotel and other are all the way in the back in carts filled with straw and wooden benches.
Now you may be asking yourself where you are on this big train? Sorry, choo choo.
Well, you guys all had the great idea to just jump off the train in the middle of nowhere. And now you are sitting in the mud with a bunch of dudes watching the train leave you behind, yelling at how stupid the passengers are.
And you call that "going your own way".
[–]Rockman97 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You’re the most self-righteous dick in these comments so far. What is your purpose on this sub? But I like your train analogy. Except in actuality, it’s like a train heading to a concentration camp. I hope you don’t get lice.
[–]mr_punchy0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
See the funny thing is, for most people, you know, people who have gone beyond the emotional and mental development of a child, they can think of things much worse than lice.
Take for example, your future.
[–]Rockman970 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sick burn, incel resigned 🤭
[–]mr_punchy1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"incel resigned"
Oh, lets not pretend its your choice.
Yeah you Le troled me so hard I literally couldn’t even
Jesus Christ. You even quote memes.
Seriously. Unplug. Do yourself a favor and spend the next 6 months only talking to people in person.
You could move past all this hateful bullshit. Find some people you actually enjoyed and that drove you to be better.
Your problem is that the women that find you attractive arent the women you want. They aren't smart, educated or classy.
What none of you can manage to grasp are the people you are surrounded by are the people you deserve. If they are boring... Guess what? So are you. If they are stupid, then your hobby probably isnt astrophysics. If they are trash... Then so are you.
You want better. Make yourself better. You dont believe in marriage? Dont get married.
But deep down inside (unless you are fucking retarded) you know this is all pathetic nonsense. Its not men going alone. Its men who nobody wants.
Make yourself desirable. Or fuck off.
So endeth the lesson and is my last post here.
Why don’t you fuck off loser? You’re the one harassing people you deem inferior. Nobody cares what you have to say dude.
[–]CeleritySteam1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This guy actually thinks there are women who are smart, unironically educated, or classy. LMFAO. Obvious taco is obvious.
[–]Rockman97 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you, and this actually is quite relevant now that I’ve given it more thought. You have many single mothers who benefit from state power, who can effectively use the state as a husband and father. That way, they can live however they want at the expense of men they don’t even know. There’s no reason to become a worthwhile partner. Of course this will cause men to GTOW. Uncle Sam himself is cucking millions.
[–]mr_punchy0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As I said. I guess you've never heard of privately owned toll roads. And then you proved it by assuming it was made up.
I guess investors havent gotten around to building roads into your particular swamp yet.
[–]longooo20 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your Healthcare system is theft. Taxation is needed for roads, hospitals and loads of things.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All which can be left up to the market.
[–]Titaniumbass1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You do know paying taxes are optional, right? Sure, you might get audited, as long as your not hiding anything, usually you will be fine.
[+]EconomistMagazine-15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Government has to get paid somehow
[–]AncapGhxst12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THEN VOLUNTEER!
[–]Tassob 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get a rope
[–]Kestral 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
I earn six figures working and I also have a stock portolio that spits out six figures in distributions/dividends per year.
Tax rate on my work income: 49%
Tax rate on my portfolio income: 0%
Working is for schmucks.
[–]CeleritySteam11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Once you get some starting capital clicking a few times = a month of wagecucking for some SJW/diversity hire/wtfever.
[–]EconomistMagazine10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How are you taxed 0% and not the capital gains rate?
[–]Itisforsexy12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You only pay taxes on realized gains. If you invest in stocks for instance, you only pay taxes on the surplus between when you bought and when you sold.
Any interest payments or dividends are immediately taxable though.
[–]kur1j14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kind of misleading since can’t actually get the money without being taxed. So he’s not really paying 0%.
[–]Kestral 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Capital gains are not taxed until realized. Same with Return on Capital. Also tax sheltered accounts such as RRSP/TFSA (I think in America the equivalents are 401K/IRA). For qualified dividends in Canada we have the Dividend Tax Credit. I expect there is an American equivalent. Also expenses related to investing/business can be written off against investment income. Structure it all the right way and you pay $0.
[–]buff_minorcan7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Isn't it just tax deferred until a future date?
[–]Kestral 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you are able to defer taxes until you die, then from your perspective , it’s “forever”.
As far as deferring taxes past death, that’s all the stuff in the stages ahead of me (ie. setting up family office, trusts, etc)
[–]richardhead66665 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What happens when the working shmucks say enough is enough and just work under the table? When that happens it’s a sign of the end of the arch of a society. When the bow of the titanic is still above and the stern is below and the bow guys laugh. All I can say is have fun!
[–]JKMonk972 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Can i ask how much you started with your stock portfolio? I have some dividend stocks invested right now, but I'm not so sure to continue because of a potential market crash. Also what's the best way in achieving an income through dividends?
[–]wathon21 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you don't get tax on capital gain until realized, but you do get tax in dividend payout unless you have a dividend reinvestment plan.
Either way, there is no avoiding tax.
[–]UpLmaosToTheLeft0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
remind me to look into this in 5 years from now
[–]Fortnite_FaceBlaster1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yup, I'm currently studying the stock market. I plan on day trading and doing forex and options in 2-3 years. I'm in my mid 40's, been working my whole life.. need to get the fuck out and semi-retire... move to FL. Los Angeles is shit.
[–]SovereignSoul768 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would perform a ghosting act that would make Houdini proud.
[–]CeleritySteam4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Username checks out. And then they wonder why men suddenly leave the cuntry without warning.
[–]Shimakaze45 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why I haven't paid tax in years and don't feel one bit bad about it. It has to be said there are some advantages to operating in cash.
[–]fuckeverything1115 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And Bernie Sanders wants that last 20%.
[–]lostingreatks1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Let's be honest. The government cucking--going to support programs for women. So more like 80% female cucking.
[–]CeleritySteam3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
TFW you're MGTOW and still getting cucked 80% by THOTs.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sucks, but at least we make massive amounts of money just by the virtue of being men.
[–]starkfuture1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This kind of financial oppression by the clergy, the nobles and the crown is what led to the crown and the nobles losing heads, the clergy losing it's power - French Revolution.
[–]CeleritySteam0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, this escalated quickly.
[–]justiceavenger76 points77 points78 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet we keep hearing " why arent men getting married?" lol
[–]cleats4u69 points70 points71 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This guy should just go to jail. He is working overtime to live in poverty. If enough men did this the government would go broke supporting supporting and defending women.
[–]inertargongas8 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
They'd have to shutter the prisons and the gynocentric welfare state. I like it!
[–]Autismo90016 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, they'd just raise taxes more on single guys like me.
[–]PuckeredA_hole1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why, so he can make money for some For profit prison ?
[–]buff_minorcan53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Print and frame at random spots around town.
[–]301niko12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In my house, futuristic art.
[–]Official_RCLE 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
wow.... not a terrible idea
[–]Bombinic35 points36 points37 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
$400.00 every two weeks?!?
😣🔫
[–]FilaStyle842 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol, You'll save the expense on getting snipped!
[–]wildozure15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jesus....why so many aeoreare orders?
[–]drogosan9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is modern-day slavery.
[–]Mapispema-ta8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If i were him i would get the fuck out.
[–]DTreatz6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should just leave the country if he has the skills. Fuck living like this.
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[–]Uglyprince-20002 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
To be honest he shouldn't be making mgtow videos, no doubt that the dude is mgtow and genuine nice bro, but he lacks the perception and knowledge to be trying to spread the good word. I have watched some of his videos and they are mostly rants with nothing to really take to heart. The same goes for sunshine hoodie, Howard dare, etc, nice guys and mgtow but their videos are mostly just rants.
[–]301niko7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but rants can go viral and it can be a wake up call for men that never heard about mgtow.
I know you're an OG.
[–]WhistlingAlong 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is correct. When I first watched a few mgtow videos I was like this is cool then like I said before 1-3 videos is more than you need to formulate if you agree or disagree and the more and more I watched after I agreed to mgtow term the more they didn't do anything for me so I stopped watching them.
This contribution however is worthy.
[–]Uglyprince-20001 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't have anything against them, I think they are nice guys with good intentions but if we were completely honest, nobody would be listening to them if they just wrote a blog. The reason people know them and listen to them is because they make youtube videos and people find it easier to attach to a face than just words.
[–]tindalos77 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
75% of your hardwork taken away for wymyn to buy 80% of stuff.
[–]Ruby-xy3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
75% of your money get taxed to women.
[–]Usuqamadiq5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I make about $1300 every 2 weeks without overtime. My rent w/storage unit, sewer, and water alone is $1200. I currently have to pay my ex $1308.5 every month for the initial temporary child support on my 3 kids. I was able to get 1 day of overtime a week which paid for child support and kept me afloat on my paycheck. Overtime has gone away for my shift so I am screwed this summer and childcare went up. I have no idea how I'm going to manage. I have a court date soon I think to come to a more definitive amount. My only windows of minimal hope is that I'm currently working on a VA claim/appeal and hopefully can get some money she can't touch from that. I'm also planning to sue the dude she was texting who led to the divorce for Alienation of Affection here in NC.
Paying 54% of my income to my ex is fucking ridiculous though. She makes $18.50 an hour, I make $21. We managed just fine when I was the only one working with 2 kids at $20/hour and even baught the house she is living in off that. There is no way she needs $1308 a month for 3 kids to eat and have her mom watch them. Come tax time, I'm filling asap and claiming the kids since she doesn't have to pay taxes on child support. Why should she get free money she didn't earn just for taking my pay!
I'm going to get a vasectomy as soon as my finances are more stable to prevent any possibility of having kids and paying another cunt ever again.
Don't get married, don't co-habitate, don't have kids. It is not worth it.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why not just take prison? Im serious. You get to spite her as she doesnt get shit from you, you get free room and board and alot of free time.
[–]Usuqamadiq2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not wanting to abandon my kids especially my son is the only reason I haven't just left the fucking country. I have the background to go work as a government contractor on drones (used to "fly" them) either as a mechanic or as operstions and could make around 6 figures tax free. Depending on how this divorce goes I may do it anyway. I enjoy only working 3 days a week (3x 13.5 hour days) and having 2/4 days with my kids currently. I'm not willing to throw my life away and give up ever being able to enjoy my gun hobby by going to jail just to spite her.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why do you care about your kids so much? Kids dont particularily care about you beyond what you can give them, you can always make more and theyre annoying and useless . And by making kids in this country, you keep it breathing, id want the country to die a death of a thousand cuts.
Also, you can engage in your gun hobby in prison better than when "free".
And prison in this case is a victory as you get the government to pay for you, rather than paying for the government.
[–]starkfuture0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. I wouldn't have any qualms doing the disappearing act, if it is a financially bad and spiteful divorce.
Most kids in these situations will be inevitably brainwashed and will have no problem claiming their's is a deadbeat dad, just because you don't have the means to buy them shit.
They might understand when they become older when they see the amounts paid as child support, but too fucking late to do anything about anything.
If I am going to be accuse of something and suffer for it, I will rather do it than not.
[–]areo34o3j1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why do you have 3 kids?
[–]Usuqamadiq0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because we (she) wanted 2 kids. First 2 we paid for via IVF. Spent 5 years trying before I found a Dr who knew WTF he was talking about. 3rd was unplanned and a total surprise. I was told 0% chance of her getting pregnant naturally. She said it was actually 4% which if I had known was a possibility I would have insisted she get her tubes tied after the 2nd (did on the 3rd). I know the kids are mine, have actual DNA tests from the IVF to prove it. The third looks the most like me so no worries she isn't mine either there.
[–]Rockman97 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lord have mercy
[–]Bombinic3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let us not hold our collective breath.
[–]Blaat19854 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucked up system. In my country child support is based on how much you can afford, which is based on the social minimum. You'll never able to fall below it and if you earn that much you wont have to pay support.
[–]ConstantChinner2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking ridiculous.
[–]MattFoley793 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I want to know why the one order is only $31 😂
[–]trpbritguy8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Because it's (as usual*) an unfair representation of a single case! This dude has skipped payments!
I pay £389.40 Per month for 2 kids I earn £2,256.64 so what, 20%?? That's about average for everyone.. It's not the payment that's the issue is it... It's the fact that we have no recourse AT FUCKING ALL to sperm jacking??
Force my self on a woman, get 7 years in jail.. Woman forces a child on me - get to pay for 20 years!
*Don't pick the worst case and try to sell that as the norm, it just makes people think we/you are a bunch of liars!
[–]feraxil3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
He hasn't missed payments.
He has 4 children with 4 different women. The reason the one is so small is because he has an order for a payment in line with the others, but it was the last garnishment applied and they can only take X% of his check, so it hit the barrier and cannot be any higher.
He'll still be on the hook for it, though.
[–]PornfIakes2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bingo! This guy is a DUMB ASS and deserves to pay. You dont "accidentally" knock 4 different women up.
[–]redzero12791 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There is something to be said, for this man to have 4 children. I’m not judging. As I don’t know the situation. Though, if the scenario is that this man has children by 4 different women. There is something to be said, for the 4th woman. If she in knows that he has 3 other children. If the has this 4th child. The 4th child only gets, 2% of income.
So man, sh8uld know better. If the case, the 4th woman should definitely know better.
[–]feraxil0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I would severely doubt he even told them about his kids.
[–]redzero12791 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's possible. Watch Maury Povich... Many times they do know. Don't care....
[–]agree-with-you0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree, this does seem possible.
[–]phreshstart0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sucks when you get 7 years in jail AND 20 years pay.
[–]Goddamnpanda2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because out of this one paycheck he had multiple payments he missed taken out. These aren't one months payment for a single baby mama...
[–]Idras_Hairline 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I’d change countries
[–]rromero260 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Or change jobs they have to serve orders at the next one, let her find where out of state better
[–]Idras_Hairline 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
it normally only takes about a month. I’d rather just go to Asia and teach english at that point. I’m not working for 200 bucks a week
[–]rromero260 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To process about a month but to find out where his new job is, Specially out of state is a hassle for the whore. Short term solution, battle of the wills.
[–]dogboots880 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What happens if you do move out of the country? Can't they chase after you since you're still considered a citizen? What happens if/when you go back?
they can but they won't. they have bigger fish to fry. and they can't deduct from your wages either because of the way you're getting paid.
i think thats how it works atleast.
[–]aceofspadez3600 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Depending on what state you live in, you can't get a passport (or if you have one it will be revoked) if you are in arrears in child support payment
[–]Idras_Hairline 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats why you keep all your documents up to date and have cash in bitcoin ready to go
[–]Afab67 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That man is literally a slave. I think I'd rather be homeless.
[–]Theguygotgame7773 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My half brother is 12 years older than me; he's now 29. Even in his twenties, my dad's first wife extracted over 200 dollars from his every pay check, because he's "disabled."
How so, you may ask?
His skin is overly sensitive. He can't spend too long in the sun, and he gets bad sunburns. That's it!
I don't think my dad is still paying for them, but he might be. I haven't asked in years. Children aren't the only money-makers for women, guys. Beware.
[–]BlackHaz32 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A vasectomy sounds great
[–]Lvl21Wizard 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And i guarantee he's on the family health plan. And wont be allowed to get on the single health plan. That $210 would be cut down to $70 at most.
100% facts. Sickening. I saw that 210 and was like def paying for the family health plan.
[–]the_unseen_one2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Christ man, imagine working that many hours and still only recieving 400 at the end of it. He only made about $4.80 an hour in actual earnings for himself...
[–]rromero262 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Only in America" Don king can you imagine some Mexican woman trying to pull this stunt in Tijuana...she knows not too as there are severe repercussions to committing these CRIMES.
[–]oldmanlogan762 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd would be extremely dangerous for a woman to put me in a situation like this. I would resort to extreme measures.
[–]badg0y14882 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
At this point just flee the damn coutry
[–]cam-seller1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't get why low income people have kids. Keeping all his gross income this guy makes $36k/yr. That's poverty where I'm from.
[–]ZealousMathematician-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
85 hours a week and 400$ left for you to live.
[–]Bilbo_T_Baggins_OMG6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Two weeks. So two 40 hour weeks with 5 hours of overtime.
[–]vito6701 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
well to be fair 5 h overtime is not that much , a colleague of mine had to take another job just to support himself after a divorce , this one is bad but not the worst
[–]the-capitan 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
that's a 2 week paycheck. without overtime, he wouldn't even be netting $600/mo. that relegates him to living in a shithole in the middle of nowhere with a roommate, eating instant noodles and taking the bus. even worse... if he gets a promotion and starts to make more so he can improve his life, they'll just increase the support order. he's a court ordered wage slave until the children are 18 years old.
[–]2Boddah3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Middle of nowhere”......”taking the bus”.....😂😂😂😂
Thats why he should go to prison. The jokes on the government because he wont be able to pay shit from prison, will get free food and board and will have plenty of time to pursue his hobbies and get fit. Ironically, in his case, prison is more freeing than being a wage slave
[–]the-capitan 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
here's the crazy part... this guy is paying ~$1400/mo in child support. the US government admits it costs $250k to raise a child from 0 to 18. that's a bit under $14k per year, or $1160/mo. each parent should be responsible for half of child support, or $580/mo/per child. if he's paying for any number of children under 3, the government has enslaved him at the barrel of a gun for his baby mamma's benefit.
[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. So going to prison is technically freedom and victory overt he government. The alternative is violent revolution, but most guys are too scared for that (id do it tho and become a warlord and rule justly).
[–]vito6700 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hey brother , I'm not arguing that this guy has it pretty bad , what i'm saying is that 'bad' is relative , see i belong to an older generation of mgtows , back when that wasn't even a thing , what i mean is that there are men who have it bad , and i mean really bad , men who have been driven to suicide , this post pretends that this guy is the worst case scenario which is not true , by saying this is worst case scenario we lower the bar for everyone else
[–]bsutansalt1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm guessing the multiple deductions are because he missed payments. Still, even at $250 with his normal pay that's still nearly 17% of his gross or 25% of his net pay!
[–]LeafFan1990 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you want to get married?
[–]CastandRefused1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know too many men paying child support, I've heard the horror stories. There's no way I'm gonna knock a bitch up. They seriously rape their paychecks. It is indeed a form of slavery.
[–]Akamarb1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit. This is so fucking depressing. Imagine working 80+ hours at some dead end Job and taking home 400$.
I don’t condone the behavior but I certainly understand the rationale when a man has had enough and becomes violent.
Alternatively one could juat not pay child support and go to prisom where he gets a lot of free time, free food and board and its relatively low stress. Its not like he has any freedom anyway when working to pay chuld support. He is a slave at that point. Imo, id take prison. The best part of prison is, the ex-wife gets nothing because you are in prison. Haha jokes on her.
[–]little7261 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Communism Lite
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Take my hand, and let us hang the government
[–]6tfcxdr54eszaw32q1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm considering whether paying off debt is even worth it. Why be a wage slave to debt if you're not one to child support? (That is, un-garnishable debt)
[–]JohnPerera0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Darius, the man!
Switch jobs if you can, don't let them know where, make the butch suffer to find out. They have to serve a order at each job. iirc
[–]AntiAbleism0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And they have no problem with this.
[–]PornfIakes0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Context is key.
Yeah its a lot but maybe he doesnt see his kids at all. Clearly he isnt paying for their medical, dental or vision insurance, somone has to.
Also is it 3 different children to 3 different mothers? Or is one of them spousal support? If the kids have the same mother they wouldnt be broken up like that.
You dont have to be a genius to know not to stick your dick in multiple women without taking precautions.
Common sense men. Use it.
I dont feel sorry for him in the least.
[–]NietzscheExplosion0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
210 a cheque just for his healthcare? ? R u serious??
[–]bizwint0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looks like he doesn't make enough money to be having 4 kids anyway.
[–]RK210010 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Heartbreaking.
[–]SD_11120 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When I was 21 (I'm 38 now), I had a one night stand with a gorgeous 36 year old woman. I had been sexually active previously and always, always wore condoms. Literally every single time. When I was with this woman, we got naked, were hugging, kissing, petting, etc., she grabbed my dick, and guided me into her. Now, granted, I could have resisted and insisted on wrapping it up, but I just went with it under the theory that no 36 year old woman would do this if she wasn't on some sort of birth control. Well, she wasn't and 5 months later she was able to look me up and show me her bump and deliver me the news.
I insisted on a paternity test and, sure engough, it was mine. I've forked over more than $150K since then, I have still have 5 years to go (my daughter is 16). My daughter's mother isn't a horrible person, but she definitely makes sure she gets everything she's entitled to under the law.
My vaso has ensured this won't happen again.
Don't stick your dick in crazy. Go your own way. Child support sucks. Trust me.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Typical Swedish paycheck and I’m not even a father. Applying same calculations here and I would be in debt for evey hour worked.
[–]Shortmanking 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are there 4 orders? For each child?
[–]NietzscheExplosion0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a Canadian ...was about to say taxes are not bad until... Holy fucking hell @ the health care!!!! You guys really take it up the ass!
[–]randomroxks0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
why 4 children with 4 different women, idiot
[–]curiouslyengaged-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While that's insane, one cant help but wonder why the guy has 4 kids with 4 different women (as there are 4 different orders - usually kids from same woman are on the single order - unless I'm mistaken) - he seems like a chad that went around fertilizing ....
[–]KneeDeepThought-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly my pity for this dude is limited. There are four separate support orders on his check, which means he didn't learn after getting burned the first three times. Dude...
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