Do you guys ever feel the real problem....

Docbear64 · 2018-12-27T19:30:06+00:00

It's a two-fold problem isn't it ? Men lack brotherhood and instead turn to and worship women to ask them to show them how to exist ..... in turn women being worshipped and adored like Godesses leads to them believing and treating men like men are an inconvenience that is their only option for having babies with .

I'd absolutely agree our society is broken across the board A huge part of that is that the traditional maternal role has been absolutely destroyed .

Bad mothers raise needy broken boys, who worship women and detest men and grow up to become useful men that are then broken again by women who go on to become bad mothers who raise more needy broken boys.

Men definitely need to develop a stronger sense of brotherhood and control but in order to do that we need the strong men to either match or outnumber the number of needy men and there are SOOO many needy men ( because again there are sooo many mothers raising broken boys)

NewLife_2017 · 2018-12-27T21:53:50+00:00

I feel the government is a big contributor to the problem. The lawsuits and ruling against men and/or men only spaces means that businesses and group conform to allowing females out of fear of being shutdown or financially destroyed. At the same time they also financially reward single moms for their poor decisions, women who marry money just to divorce, and cheaters who leave or get left by their husbands.

At some point someone should be saying this is ridiculous. You have your girls space, guys can have their space. Your husband want a divorce because you fucked Chad, he owes you nothing. You got knocked up by some stranger and don't know who it is? good, here is 12 months of support, go get a job and get situation because you are cut the fuck off afterwards (this should apply to all welfare)

The world is too set on saving everyone. Its an unpopular opinion but letting people suffer will encourage them to try harder, or at least their offspring to do so.

keystonerrt · 2018-12-27T20:30:17+00:00

The thing is society tells men to control their base instincts. Ladies get a, You go girl!

samsoldit · 2018-12-27T19:37:17+00:00

Yes, we're depraved sinners all. That is most definitely the problem

DWShimoda · 2018-12-27T21:45:50+00:00

Male spaces are largely gone, some due to infiltration by women but that infiltration needs to be allowed for it to happen.

Indeed, it is invariably some "traitor" male that creates the breach.

Most often not because of some "frontal assault" by feminist. Nor is it (initially) even by a full "lowering the gates" (though that is the inevitable result) -- but invariably by a traitorous male sneaking A woman/girl* in through some the back door...

And then claiming "See all of the bad things everyone predicted if a female was here didn't happen... you guys are just paranoid; AFRAID the presence of some woman or girl will cause problems that just DON'T/DIDN'T happen!" etc.

But of course they eventually/inevitably DO begin to happen.

And sooner or later either the gates get lowered, or the full frontal attack comes (now with "cuck" allies on the inside) -- and the "sanctity" of the male space ends -- after which the women proceed to basically "mark their territory" by [metaphorically] pissing all over everything, changing it to suit THEIR needs/wants/feels.

* Often it is under the guise/ruse of "I didn't have a choice, see I HAD to bring my daughter, I couldn't leave her sitting in the car!"

Or else some equally bullshit simpish thing: "Well... my wife/girlfriend just wanted to see what we do here... she didn't believe me that it's just some [hobby/poker game/sports/other] boring men stuff." etc.

801735 · 2018-12-27T19:32:46+00:00

That the behavior we decry in women is more of a symptom of an unhinged society that’s forgotten how to live?

Are the undead alive? Do the undead live? Take the to-do "lists" away and what happens with gorillions of chronic through-the-day drifters?

Scout_477 · 2018-12-27T23:49:54+00:00

No, it's not. Where are these bitter incels I keep hearing about that are tormenting every corner of the internet? Why do we keep on shaming the ones that do pop up? Is this not a space to help other men out with achieving happiness and fulfillment without women? Since 20k subs retarded posts like this kept popping up, and invariably they were always by people who did not contribute anything to the subreddit. It's completely justified to be angry when you've been dealt an unfair hand and no one takes you seriously. I wish the mods were more strict with how often they implemented rule 7, because the "stop being bitter incelz!!!!" horseshit needs to stop. Anger is completely natural and there is nothing wrong with being angry when your entire life has been stacked against you since birth due to your gender.

TwentyOneBeers · 2018-12-27T21:16:12+00:00

I'm mgtow because i see absolutely no reason for a man to marry a woman and going my own way, away from the herd, helped me a lot, to understand myself, the world and to be happy. As for the women, i see no real mystery in their behaviour, the society men built made it so they can act this way and i'm 100% convinced that if the tables would be turned we would do no better as men, this is not just female/male nature, it's human nature, the instinct to dominate, Nietzsche called it the "will to power".

FunkyCannaHigh · 2018-12-28T02:17:03+00:00

Yes, I totally agree with you, it is society. However, society was influenced by feminism and all the utopian nightmares drilled into our heads in public schools. It is more of the "chicken or the egg" thing to be honest and maybe it all happened at the same time?

People in general are worse human beings than before. However men are being attacked and masculinity is now a great sin for little boys. Men need to bring back the brotherhood with one another instead of simping each other out for the almighty pussy. We also have to stand up to women and society about masculinity. It is healthy for boys and men to be masculine and have drives that women do not have.

I do not consider myself a "manly man" that wrestles bears with a knife and rope. I do not pretend to be as brave as a navy seal heading into Afghanistan. However, my friends and I get together twice a month as a brotherhood (it is mandatory to get together at least once).

We sample fine cigars and bourbon, play some poker and talk about life in general. It is a VERY closed group and we have rules about new people joining. We offer advice to one another, listen to the men who have problems and try to be there whenever one of the guys in our brotherhood needs us. Day or night, on vacation or at work, we are there for one another. We also hold one another accountable, have a porn addiction? A brother will check up on you and hold you to your goal of becoming porn free. Becoming overweight and want to stay in shape? The brotherhood will keep you accountable.

It forms a comradery that is not found elsewhere. During the summer we go shooting at an outdoor range, go to Vegas, go on motorcycle camping trips, and push our mental/physical skills to their limits. We often do a tough mudder together and help one another finish. A brotherhood needs to be constantly challenged and force each man to rely on his brother. I may not be as brave as a navy seal or as masculine as a guy who wrestles a bear with just his hands but if I need to protect one of my brothers or I need to be protected I know I can rely on my brotherhood.

We have a monthly get together that is required, no matter what (exceptions for emergencies of course). We also have one trip a year that is mandatory that requires all of us to act as a team. A brotherhood of men is not exclusive to just soldiers, motorcycle gangs or police, we (men) should all be apart of one.

ikhwan_arif · 2018-12-28T04:46:46+00:00

We do call out bad men.

Calling out female dysfunction isn't incel behavior; it's basically holding women to a standard. Not calling out the behavior is why women get pussypasses in the first place.

thompsonh2 · 2018-12-28T06:15:02+00:00

Society allowed this. It's no surprise that women have exploited the government to their benefit while we as men get fucked in the ass and are left on the side of the road. The government has simply given them too much power. So in turn, when you have a government like ours that spoils them so much, along with our society painting them as goddesses whose pussies are the holy grail, of course they are going to let it go to their heads. On the flip side, men get portrayed as the careless sons of bitches who don't give a fuck and it leads to one of many issues with how we are perceived in society. So, the women feel they can do no wrong and when they experience hardship, they can always use their pussy as a GODMODE cheat, while men are left picking up the pieces of their shit, along with maintaining their own lives. With all of this, along with a plethora of distinctive factual statistics, I'm afraid to admit and conclude that the concept of an honest relationship especially in today's world, is rather unrealistic.

ffffuckyoureddiiit · 2018-12-28T07:37:32+00:00

There is a culture of division-politics rooted deep in the heart of the Western world aimed at disempowering people by dividing them among every possible consideration of difference; sex, race, age, politics, personality type, sexual preference. All our characteristics are over-exaggerated, given to people to define themselves through as stereotypical cultural archetypes, which are then pitted against each other in innumerable political and societal power-plays by those running the show.

United we are strong, divided we are weak. That is why those with the resource are investing huge sums of money into creating a culture of identity politics where everyone is played-off against everyone else. It keeps us alone, which keeps us disempowered.

Gracket_Material · 2018-12-27T21:50:02+00:00

Yes.

Women be like they do

Society is a giant cuck currently

hapl_o · 2018-12-27T22:25:43+00:00

Society, is made of thots, and guys who have thots for moms. fin.

IWantaPupper · 2018-12-27T23:11:38+00:00

Absolutely. I perceive the biggest issue we face is the failure of this planet. 25% of the worlds human population was born after 2004... Two BILLION people in 14 years. Then the WWF released a study showing that 60% of the worlds animal population was decimated between 1960 and today. The fact is this rate is not sustainable. That is why I spread the MGTOW mindset and values everywhere I can. Because there can’t be population growth if the NPC’s wake up or no longer exist, even more so if everyone is hip to woman’s tactics and do not want to reproduce.

gsharm · 2018-12-28T00:20:09+00:00

It's nothing new. See https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-31.htm

laptopdragon · 2018-12-28T16:02:15+00:00

another way to put it is

feminism isn't as much of a way to empower women as much as it is designed to dis-empower men.

MaestroLogical · 2018-12-28T09:13:53+00:00

I don't blame women.

I blame the failed social experiment known as feminism for poisoning society and ruining an entire generation.

King_INTJ · 2018-12-28T08:43:39+00:00

Yes, I agree. Men aren’t masculine, and women aren’t feminine. It’s hard to know what the solution is for our society. I think it comes down to a values problem, ultimately.

We’re losing vital elements of the traditional marriage and it’s throwing everything awry. There was a time when a husband and wife really could work well together. My parents are great examples of this. My dad pursued his career and was able to provide for me and my brother, and my mother assumed a supportive “helper” role. They tag teamed it and everyone is pretty happy. Of course, feminazis would criticize my mother as unambitious, lazy, etc. for choosing to be a SAHM. Which is ridiculous, because she worked very hard.

Marriage is kind of like building a Pokemon team. If you have a team of all average Pokemon, where none of them have any weaknesses but none have any real strengths, you actually have a terrible team that can’t accomplish much. But if you have a diverse team, say, with one Pokemon excelling in Sp. Atk., another specializing in Def., etc., you’ve got the makings of an excellent team. Each member of the team can be used in such a way that their strengths shine.

Similarly, if you’ve got a man who’s focused like a laser beam on his career, and a woman who can pour her heart into homemaking and child-rearing, you have the foundations of an excellent family. But if you try to keep things as even as possible, as the feminists vouch for, you’re bound to run into trouble. She might make more money and therefore be unhappy. Statistically, in two-career marriages, the wife does more domestic work and is more stressed, anxious, and unhappy than she otherwise would be. You might both get promotions that require incompatible career moves, and that can create tension, resentment, and stunt your abilities to maximize your potential.

I have nothing against women that want careers; it’s a free country and people should pursue their dreams. But two-career marriages are so stressful and conducive to a bad marriage environment.

So what to do to fix society? I don’t really know, but here are some ideas. I think we need to emphasize the advantages of a traditional marriage over the two-career marriage. I think we need to teach young men the risks of marriage, especially marrying young. We should encourage young men to wait to become successful and financially set to support a family on their career income alone BEFORE thinking about marriage. On that note, we should affirm the social acceptability of an older, financially set man in pursing a much younger woman. We should also encourage young women to take an interest in being SAHMs and to not see it as lazy or unambitious.

Verolx234 · 2018-12-27T19:24:59+00:00

As an addendum: look at the vocabulary used on this sub pre and post destruction the Red Pill and Incel. The use of vocab like “chad, Tyrone, and cuck” spikes after the The Red Pill is shutdown. Incel vocabulary.

Title	Do you guys ever feel the real problem....
Author	Verolx234
Upvotes	69
Comments	30
Date	December 27, 2018 7:19 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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Indeed, it is invariably some "traitor" male that creates the breach.