Does MGTOW apply to ugly men?

Smitty6 · 2016-08-10T05:40:11+00:00

Going your own way has nothing to do with your looks, money situation or race. Just go your own way. Fuck what people think and do what you want to do.

spencers6-94 · 2016-08-10T05:01:40+00:00

has anyone been "forever alone"

Yes. I am one of them.

I am always hearing from certain forums and places that MGTOW is not for ugly guys because we are incels and it's not by choice.

You absolutely can choose to go your own way. There aren't any requirements or prerequisites in becoming MGTOW. If you are done with women like I am, you most certainly are welcome here. It doesn't matter if you are celibate or involuntarily celibate (me), virgin or not. There are plenty of guys here who haven't had sex, whether they chose to or couldn't get it. I've always struggled with women and I'm only 22 and recently came to the conclusion that dating and having women in my life isn't worth it. It's more of a struggle for me to try. So I stopped and I'm slowly starting to feel better and more in charge of my life. I told myself, "No more chasing girls. It's a losing battle."

I want to completely change my ways and forget about women altogether

I'm glad that you want to do this. Believe me, you can only get better from here. Sometimes it takes one event or moment in order to realize what it is we really want or don't want and then we go after it.

Welcome brother.

fleshnbones · 2016-08-10T05:59:59+00:00

As a 5'2 male, my chances with women were always fucked, they always treated me "less than", plus why in the hell would they want some shrimp ass dude when tall ass chad is ready to knock them boots off and spend a fortune telling her how good her pussy tastes.

I may sound bitter and maybe I am bitter but I'm just being honest, this is the reality I face and I've learned to accept that, I could care less about my height, it's out of my control...I can't snap my fingers and grow another foot.

With that being said, MGTOW can apply to any man who knows what's up, it's just...when you get turned down so many times by women you just don't give a shit anymore and I love that "I don't give a fuck" feeling.

Because you better believe my short ass is going to enjoy a long healthy life while I get to laugh all the way to the bank at the whores who turned me down to get with 3 feet cock.

gravelheart · 2016-08-10T07:29:47+00:00

I have a question. Why don't you just fuck prostitutes until the vagina mystique wears off?

Wallstreet3 · 2016-08-10T06:26:18+00:00

The argument that you have to have been successful with women to be a MGTOW falls flat for several reasons.

The Modern Woman is not worth the time, money and effort.
To be successful with the Modern Woman requires the man to devalue himself first.
Being successful with women does not equal positive male value. Women get tingles over violent felons for chrissakes.
Bedding women is shockingly easy.
One only has to observe women to see all this, firsthand experience is not necessary.

Mgtoe · 2016-08-10T05:34:23+00:00

I was lucky enough to experience both sides as an unattractive and now attractive guy. The difference in women's behavior towards me changed a lot to the point where I know its all relative to physical attraction and I've no interest in wasting my time/resources. Especially on something as shallow and useless as a woman. Consider yourself safe from these parasites for theres nothing u have they can use (yet). Focus on urself and build urself financially and trust me ull c the difference, at which point ull reject them out of disgust.

hollybegin · 2016-08-10T09:00:35+00:00

Mgtow is from men coming from all walks of life. I'd like to welcome you in this journey of self-actualization, knowledge and freedom.

But first thing first. Please drop this "Wymynn don't want me 'cause I'm ugly". Did you take a good look around lately? Did you notice the epidemic of unfuckable beachwhales? At least, you did not choose to settle down with one of this lowest common vaginator because you were "lonely". Granted, being good looking is important when it comes to seduction but it's only one over several factors (money, status...). Most of the pretty little snowflakes walking down the street are or will be basically for sale one day or another. Love is a beautiful myth with a 6 or 7 figures number.

victor_knight · 2016-08-10T10:09:41+00:00

Drive around in a Ferrari and see how unattractive you are ;)

TFCNU · 2016-08-10T10:35:58+00:00

Thank you for the welcomes and replies. I had to get out of the mindset of "what women think of me matters", because honestly, it really doesn't. Most of them are status obsessed anyway, and I just don't need the drama that comes with relationships in general(I have heard horror stories from other guys about this). I want to just pull myself out of the self pity and depression all because women scoff at me and give me dirty looks, I don't want to give a damn what they think anymore. It will take some time to get out of the mindset(because I have been FA for so long, so the ideals will linger here and there), but ultimately, I want to change and get out of this "FA" mindset. It got so bad that I didn't even want to go out (aside from school and work) anymore because I always had to see other women flirting with my friends and relatives that are guys, while the women would just treat me like shit. But you know what, fuck them, they aren't worth my sadness and thoughts. To be honest I have always hated being in social situations with women, because they were always so rude and picky about who they talked to, like fucking children, while guys have always been pretty nice and cool with me, so it makes sense I guess that there are tons of sites dedicated to MGTOW.

LordPorker · 2016-08-10T07:54:28+00:00

This way of life is for all males. I'm an ugly bastard, but I'm finding some joy and peace in my life by doing what I want.

Teflon0819 · 2016-08-10T10:42:58+00:00

It's one of those fine lines.

Like "cat ladies" who claim they are alone by choice, and only have 8 cats because they love cats.

There will definitely be "incel" men who claim they are MGTOW to hide their unfulfilled longing to be noticed by women.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. If "incels" find comfort in believing that they are alone by choice when they really aren't, then let them do it. Maybe they'll eventually come to legitimately stop caring about their "incel" status, thus becoming an actual MGTOW.

oldredder · 2016-08-10T08:59:21+00:00

Being ugly isn't what holds a man back from going his own way from government, rigged economies and their pawns like feminists.

I've always been told that MGTOW is only for men who were successful with women.

Not quite. It's actually men who are successful at avoiding damage from mass-scale social engineering by government. Part of that is feminism. A lot is money and war.

One particular version is a man avoiding the damage but still having his way for sex and not just lucky but using proven strategy to ensure future attempts at using the lure of sex to harm the man will fail.

NefariousRaccoon · 2016-08-10T12:10:08+00:00

Why do you care what peopel think? Do you!

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2016-08-10T13:41:48+00:00

Going your own way is not meant to cause an impact in the rest of society, it is simply your way of refusing to chase after and deal with bullshit women anymore. If you're expecting society to notice, you're in for a long wait. Men are disposable.

yellow_black · 2016-08-10T15:23:56+00:00

Stop trying to please quasi-prostitutes and go to honest prostitutes.

"Alone" and "unwanted" : these very choice of words enchain you to others' approval. Fuck a bitch. Repeat. Until your mind clears up and the most beautiful woman walks into the room and you see her and are unimpressed. You genuinely feel eating an A4 size paper is more interesting than letting her come into your personal space.

Then we'll see what impedes you from going your own way.

Sex with hoes is a gateway drug : into MGTOW. That's why they make it taboo.

TheExSexOffender · 2016-08-10T05:37:55+00:00

Of course it does!

"nd I've always been told that MGTOW is only for men who were successful with women."

Not at all. Matter of fact, you will probably find that many here are just tired of the games and bullshit and being shit on for years, if not decades. Also, it's more a question of checking out of the gynocentric society and 'doing your own thing'. Or, as we call it, MGTOW!

" I have bitched about this issue a lot, about not being able to get a date and all, but I want to make a change, I don't want to judge my worth based on what women think. "

That's the big thing. You are at least waking up somewhat to the fact that you DON'T need to base your worth on what women think. Not at all. Matter of fact, THAT IS THE POISON. Trying to base your worth on what 'women' think.

"I'm sick of bitching and whining about women, and I want to completely change my ways and forget about women altogether."

Eh, I don't think most of us can forget about women altogether, as much as it is minimizing your contact with a increasingly toxic culture as much as you can.

I don't agree so much with the 'work for the least amount possible' as much as I agree with improving YOUR LOT IN LIFE FOR YOURSELF.

Anyway, welcome.

leoberto · 2016-08-10T09:14:46+00:00

Incel is not putting in the effort and complaing about it. Redpill is putting crazy amounts of effort for small reward (unless you are already hot as fuck) MGTOW is putting those efforts into improving yourself without all the stress of trying to produce offspring

victor_knight · 2016-08-10T11:37:35+00:00

I've always been told that MGTOW is only for men who were successful with women.

I'm so glad to hear this as the public perception of MGTOW has usually been quite the opposite.

ryeshoes · 2016-08-10T09:34:55+00:00

forever alone

have you ever considered escorts, or if not sex related, platonic companion services? As long as you are clean and well behaved (and this isn't about gynocentrism - it's about market actions and consequences) I don't see why somebody who is being paid to spend time with you wouldn't mind.

But to answer the question, just because you're unattractive (by your own definition) doesn't mean you've had the decision made for you. MGTOW dismiss the gynocentric society and mentality, and thus regardless of how society treats you, you have already rejected society's definitions and prescriptions of success

Darth_Bicycle · 2016-08-10T12:39:04+00:00

Sure. I think you should go MGTOW. You understand what women are like and they are not worth the effort. So now you can decide what else you wanna do with life. I mean it's not like we are running out of things to do. The world has never had this much activities and interests. You can learn history at a local library, go rock climbing, hiking in nature, play amazing video games or go spelunking if that's your thing..etc etc... For a man who figures this out, the world is his oyster. There is so much to do, so little time.

And what does success with women even mean these days? Get laid a lot, and then what? Is that long term success?

gundahir · 2016-08-10T12:56:18+00:00

well, if an attractive female approached you and asked you for marriage and whatever else is part of the standard life script, would you be able to say "fuck off" ? if so, you go your own way, if you wouldnt you are just an forever alone guy who really has women at the core of his life. i and many others here have refused approaches like that, approaches that incels, forever alones etc dream about. thats the difference. its the mindset that counts. if you are "ugly"/unattractive and dont get attention from women, but it doesnt matter to you because you base your life on other things and enjoy it and will not engage in relationshits where a woman gets hold of you, then you go your own way. fucking for sport no strings attached is ok in my book though. and you can do that at any time with a prostitue if you have the urge.

Talkytalktalk · 2016-08-10T13:40:16+00:00

All men are welcome in mgtow. People who say incels aren't welcome are just too hung up on how mgtow is perceived by outsiders.

bl4cksh33p0716 · 2016-08-10T15:28:04+00:00

MGTOW has nothing to do with looks, money, or status. It's an individual path.

Scimiturd · 2016-08-11T05:04:05+00:00

Nah man, I'm 6'2 and fit from doing HIIT daily. But I just can't pretend anymore that women are something that they aren't. The more I seem uninterested the more they flock : "What's wrong??? Am I not attractive enough for you???? Am I not good enough for you????" Ugh...their hamster spins at tron speeds when you are uninterested

2016-08-11T12:44:44+00:00

I did not expect this post to get so many responses, I thank you all for the support and help as well as feedback. I just really want to get away from the FA/forever unwanted stuff because it is not constructive and it is very toxic, and I saw myself acting immature and whiny and I want to get away from that. It's like anything positive in those sub Reddits and forums is shot down immediately. same with the "Lookism" forums that I browsed. It's just all disheartening stuff and very toxic.

KingreX32 · 2016-08-10T19:49:40+00:00

I don't know dude. Something tells me you'd fold at the first ounce of female attention you'd get. Especially if your not used to it. You can't just say your MGTOW willy nilly. Do you fully grasp and understand what this is all about? The concept at least as you go your own way in your own way.

This isn't a club where things start changing for you immediately, its something you work at, you literally fight against shit programmed into you from birth, shit evolved into every cell of your body. Are you ready for that?

I'm not saying its something you shouldn't do or that there are prerequisites so don't get me wrong I'm happy to see another man try to liberate himself from the Matrix but I don't want you to relapse at the first smile from some girl.

spart3n117 · 2016-08-11T11:57:29+00:00

Yes. I visited /r/foreveralone, but it wasn't a relatable subreddit. I've always been "going my own way" and doing things I like rather than going after women. I discovered /r/mgtow and it describes me perfectly.

clique1000 · 2016-08-10T13:03:43+00:00

Define MGTOW your own way and then go your own way, thats why its called goin your own way....get it?

Title	Does MGTOW apply to ugly men?
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Date	August 10, 2016 4:40 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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