Mgtow makes me feel dead inside.

Farfromgood5000 · 2020-05-07T21:42:36+00:00

You are going through a phase of denial. You want to believe that nawalt but the redpill in you reminds you that awalt, so you are torn. It's loneliness and mourning knowing the love you desired and were lied to about will never happen and it hurts. So you feel empty.

It's temporary... Keep going forward...keep taking redpills it will get better and know it will get better.

2020-05-07T21:41:51+00:00

We've all been there brother, go out and seek hobbies,career and real friends.

PresidentOf4UM · 2020-05-07T21:43:18+00:00

I know you guys will say just suck it up and be a man

No, we aren't woman or SJW to say that ( at least i'm not )... Btw, i think time is the best answer for all the problems we have. Someday you will find something you will dedicate all your life to achieve, and that thing isn't connect to a woman.

crityouallday · 2020-05-07T21:44:39+00:00

The programming has always been there. Fight it or don't.

MGTOW does not make you dead inside....do not blame mgtow. Funny thing is blue pill simps are the ones truly dead in my opinion, they just don't know it yet.

You and every man has the power to become wealthy retire early and have life be a blast, they just don't know it yet.

No one forces you to be MGTOW, but I believe there are forces that compel many to believe silly things like marriage Staying poor, miserable, unhappy. You either live in the matrix or rise above.

Notlikeotherguys · 2020-05-07T21:48:08+00:00

I don't know where you are at in life, but that dream of a happy home and loving companion is very hard to let go of. For myself It's a lot easier as I've lived long enough to see my dream become my nightmare. Even with that I do catch myself fantasizing t times about having that again some day, but the logical part of me knows that there's a 95% chance that it will end badly if I do, and double my efforts to make a happy comfortable home/life for myself. I find it therapeutic to talk to my married friends (growing fewer by the day) and listening to the shit they put up with as a reminder of the shit I went through, which as time passes, and wounds heal I catch myself viewing through rose colored glasses.

StoicGiraffe1 · 2020-05-07T21:55:21+00:00

I see you are new to the red pill community. Welcome!

Now some basics, because i can smell someone who has been hurt from a mile away (call it a teacher's intuition, eheh):

1 - What you are feeling is what is more commonly known as "Red Pill Rage". This is because your innocent and fragile view on the reality of love and sex has been disrupted (all of us have felt this in some way or another). This is normal. A belief has been shattered and now you, very well so, feel dissonant from what this all is. It shall pass, don't worry. People with 25+ year marriages with 2 kids have felt this exact same feeling. I have felt this exact same thing. Your male friends have felt the exact same thing. Difference here is that you are now beginning on a new journey, one with truth - Red Pill;

2 - Alot of newcomers confuse Red Pill with MGTOW. For beginners, i would recommend going easy and Red Pill only. It's less complex, doesn't add some ontological and ethical axioms that MGTOW has that are somewhat complex to accept (a lot of newcomers start to hate women right away because of MGTOW. This sub could, admittedly, be better. But think about this sub as a therapy for all of red pill/mgtow), and there are alot of videos/articles/subs. Summarized: Red Pill is a reality break from political correctness culture and fetishized normativity, especially on how women treat men and it's natural imperatives. MGTOW is a detachement of us, Men, from political conformism, i.e - Not needing relationships to feel validated, going literally our own way and a specific view on the female sex, that which has so many flaws and is so noxious to us, that is immoral to choose staying with them. You can see easily how much they are different. I know many red pill men with girlfriends and wives. I know 1 mgtow that has a girlfriend (and even then he is always extremly cautious);

3 - You feeling like a "new version" of yourself is just you maturing. When you take the Red Pill, you can't go back. I say this in, you CAN go back, but you are lying to yourself. It clicked. It makes sense. But this isn't bad, very much the contrary. With this view now, you will suffer more, expect less from others and more from yourself, be happier with who you are, and will go further in what field you are interested

You can do this, friend. We are here to help you, if you need information.

Strength!

andreas-mgtow · 2020-05-07T22:52:46+00:00

MGTOW kills the simp inside and all the indoctrination your mind has been filled with over the years.

What is left is emptiness, as in Sunyata, the true nature of things.

slutslyainstud · 2020-05-07T21:40:42+00:00

Godspeed. We all have different ways of grieving the lose of our bluepill beliefs.

2020-05-08T00:15:30+00:00

Just get to about age 50 like myself and take a look at married men your age and what they are attached to and you will be singing songs of joy.

MGTOW_ENDER · 2020-05-07T21:54:49+00:00

What you're going through is normal. MGTOWs actually call it "the valley of suicide" (mainly youtuber MGTOWs). Its basically a depression phase from being MGTOW, but you will 100% get over it I know this because I've been through it

The_Whorror_Show · 2020-05-07T22:12:12+00:00

It's been almost a year and I still get fits of red pill rage. The good thing is that if i continue learning and doing things, it stops me from going too crazy and getting too mad. It's just that interacting with females in real life is just so disgusting and repulsive. To know they're always measuring you up when you speak to them, it's gross.

DavidLoPan13 · 2020-05-07T21:58:47+00:00

U can got try and date again for sure. I wouldn’t hate on anyone for that. But u can never be blue pilled again. You know to much now. You will be able to spot things they do much easier now. And you will know why they are doing it.

drakeswan · 2020-05-07T23:03:15+00:00

There is no growth in comfort. You can either be comfortable and go back to your blue pill ways.

Or you can grind it out and pave your own way with the red pill.

And honestly, I don't think it's possible to even go back blue pill. After you've taken the red pill.

Unless you truly do enjoy living a lie.

Ignorance is bliss, yes. But how can it be blissful when you aren't ignorant and are fully aware?

I think that's where you're internal conflict is coming from. You're in a uncomfortable position right now. But I'd like to say a position of possibilities and growth.

Only you know what's best though.

Regardless, I hope you see it through. With whatever you decide to do.

nigelh · 2020-05-08T01:38:09+00:00

I suspect you are missing the full 'OW' of MGTOW. You have stepped back from the cat race and are looking to improve yourself but the OW is about doing things that are your personal passion. I don't care if you want to learn quantum mechanics, go LARPing, get a boat, go hill walking or make models there must be something you've always fancied so make sure you do it now that you have nobody to hold you back.

carbonblob · 2020-05-08T06:38:10+00:00

The truth can be hard to accept... because then you have to think about

Whether or not you'll ever have a family
Not having any more excuses to avoid accomplishing the goals you'd repeatedly told your friends and family that you wanted to achieve
How people will perceive you as a single person (years ago people would be suspicious, thinking you must be gay or a wierdo/pervert... but now being single is more socially acceptable)

MGTOW has huge upsides though...

Time
Money
Peace
Freedom
Living a life based on evolved logic & reason instead of primal emotions & impulses

There will be a lot of guys envious of your situation. The reality is that many guys are in relationships, but they are not happy ones.

ElectricalTradition8 · 2020-05-07T22:33:39+00:00

Just find other goals that don't involve earning enough money to feed/shelter a woman. All the stuff you wanted as a kid is within reach now. Nothing is going to just happen either

shmegtow · 2020-05-07T22:34:54+00:00

At times I can relate. You're seeking comfort when dealing with uncertain "truths". All I've found to help is work more, keep learning and experiencing life for yourself. Dwelling on the nature of women will never make you happy and now the red pill has been taken you can't really go back unfortunately. Mgtow principles can be loosely followed to suit your needs but I'd be hard pressed to commit to any woman knowing how easily your life can be drastically ruined. Love for yourself though

goingmyownway_ghost · 2020-05-07T23:10:29+00:00

u can't unsee what you've seen, even if u were too go back too ur blue pill mindset and try too pretend .....you'll still spot out every single glitch untill the point of frustration

EL10RUB · 2020-05-07T23:17:27+00:00

You are developing a new side of you, dont be surprised, or scared. YOuve woken up from millenia of programming which cant be brushed away overnight. Fill the void with something new. Listen to Stardusk on YT, hes very well versed, speaks a lot of sense

Professsor_Q · 2020-05-08T01:30:46+00:00

Nope if you wanna go back to blue pill do it. I'm sure you'll be back here soon enough you may go back to being blue pilled but you can't unsee what you've seen here

DubsPackage · 2020-05-08T06:17:26+00:00

I won't tell you to suck it up.

Maybe MGTOW just is not the right path for you at this time, maybe you need to experience life more.

Besides, there's nobody gonna tell you not to date, we're not your mommy, you're a grown man, live how you please, do what you want.

EcloVideos · 2020-05-08T01:54:21+00:00

read the divine comedy and connect the 3 levels to the red pill and mgtow, it will make a lot of sense. Especially the metaphysical idea of the inferno and Purgatorio

Covfefe045 · 2020-05-08T02:02:02+00:00

Right there with you brother, stay strong.

Alexius_von_Meinong · 2020-05-08T02:57:41+00:00

Don't suppress the emotions. Let the hate flow through you, as the emperor would say. But there is another step beyond Palpatine's advice, since it's not just the hate you let flow through you, but also the fear and the love and the anxiety, and all the rest of it. So here's a variation on Frank Herbert:

I must not get emotional.

Emotion is the mind-killer.

Emotion is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my emotion.

I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.

Where the emotion has gone there will be nothing.

Only I will remain.

R3dd1tSuux · 2020-05-08T03:50:27+00:00

"I honestly think I'm developing a new version of myself and it's strange. Thank you MGTOW for telling me the truth because it's all I want in life."

This is your guiding light, right here. Your confession is really that you're admitting to loss and regrest at the ilusion of the blue-pilled world most/all of us were taught as little boys growing into men. You've seen through and past that. It's very disappointing, and can leave us with tremendous loss. The Stages of Grief model is helpful to understand her, and TFM has many classic videos worth watching to help go through them. Other MGTOWs content creator as well, along with Stoic philosophy.

I will also submit that a big part of my growing MGTOW process is getting closer to the Truth of God (our Divine nature). I'm not about 'religion' as I see that as a tool for control, but there is a part of our life experience that transcends thought, emotions, 'belief', ideas - even notions of 'truth' (I write with a lowercase 't'). The Truth - taught and pointed-to by Jesus Christ, by the Buddha, by other sages and avatars throughout time - is the only thing that can really free us.

I had to leave my Christian upbringing and 'wander through the desert' for a long time, trying different philosophies, ideas, and finding my way to Adyashanti and resonating with his simple yet powerful observations and teachings. Lots of YT videos with him. I did eventually do several silent meditation retreats, fueled by my burning need to KNOW what and who I really was - beyond what I saw in the mirror looking back at me.

When we are focused on the blue pill pursuits our validation comes from outside (external validation as TFM says). When we take the red pill (or have it rammed up our butts!), it's a shock to our system. It DOES change us, if we trust the process of pursuing truth and reason. But, if all we pursue is reason and don't tap into the beauty of life, of the fact that we are ALIVE in this incredible Universe, that there IS some sacredness to every life, then we miss the spirit - the essence - of what being a human being can bring.

From my direct experience with even short periods of 'monk mode', I was gifted some very powerful realizations of how much Love was there - IS HERE - all the time, all around me. I just needed to stop distracting myself by filling up my mind, body, emotions with 'stuff' so I could experience the true magic of a sunrise. Or a sunset. Or really look at the full moon (tonight!) and marvel in it. The stars, the birds singing, the wind, the trees swaying, even just watching people go about their business. There is poetry in all of life, and when we don't focus on what we don't have - some 'perfect relationship' that seems all but impossible in the modern world' - we can appreciate what we DO have: the Universe of possibility to discover, to create, to enjoy.

I can't wait until I'm in a place where I can get a dog. Another MGTOW posted on his success of saving to buy an apartment, getting a great review, and having an awesome dog. I'll admit, I'm a bit jealous of his dog and apartment, but the dog most of all! We DO want to love something that will love us back, and 'man's best friend' is the only thing we can really count on. Until that time, I do my best to appreciate and give gratitude to God (whatever that may mean to you, to me it's the Loving Transcendent Creator that is who and what we are a part of) throughout the day. Giving gratitude FEELS good! There's science behind it :)

You may want to buy and go through 'Is Your Genius At Work?' which is a workbook that helped me clearly identify my purpose. I bought it on Amazon, it's cheap and I can safely say it'll help you, too. Even if no one else knows it, you'll know something about yourself - a truth about your reason for being on this planet - that can guide your clarity of thought and action. Many MGTOW talk about finding your purpose, but that process isn't really clear to many. I stumbled a while and found that book by Dick Richards to be so powerful, every person ought to do it before entering high school, let alone prior to graduating.

Good luck, and if you want to engage further, I'll comment publicly or can DM via messages here.

Chakra_Devourer · 2020-05-08T05:28:29+00:00

not like anyone putting a gun to your head and say you gotta be MGTOW. Feel free to get back on the dating scene and deal with women. Perhaps sticking your hand into the fire a few times in order to kill that simp inside you permanently?

ContactJoshua · 2020-05-08T04:46:44+00:00

there's no such thing as pure truth or absolute truth, and you will always feel internal conflict, no matter what path you choose. I'm not telling you to go mgtow or not go mgtow, or that you feeling the way you do means you're going the right way. I'm telling you that life is a difficult journey of twists and turns, and many of those turns will be on yourself, in your own mind. I don't even know what's "right" necessarily, and if I do in one moment, maybe I'll feel differently in another moment. I appreciate how MGTOW reveals the incredible hypocrisy and double standard of women and society today; that's why i come here. But mgtow as a life choice may be too black and white, too binomial. The odds of finding a decent girl who's willing to actually dedicate herself to the relationship, to identify as "us" instead of "her" and "you" separately; the odds of finding someone who's willing to do whatever is necessary to overcome the *numerous* obstacles that are going to come your way in a relationship, nowadays, is almost infinitesimally small. But infinitesimally small doesn't quite mean 0%. It's up to you what you decide to do with your life, but i think one should avoid marriage for as long as it takes to vet someone truly and deeply, and that could honestly take a decade, and considering how small the chance of finding that woman is in this day and age, you shouldn't get your hopes up at all and should just live as you see fit for yourself. No matter what you do, though, you're still gonna have times of doubt and conflict in your mind

2020-05-08T09:40:29+00:00

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phoneticau · 2020-05-08T10:16:31+00:00

Stay strong brother

incelinthirty · 2020-05-08T10:47:28+00:00

I for one wouldn't tell you to suck it up coz I know exactly how you feel. I was there a few years ago. Guess what? The emptiness you are feeling right now and for which you are holding MGTOW accountable doesn't exist. I followed a meditation technique to see what it truly is and then leave it behind. PM me if you want to know about the technique.

WashYourNose · 2020-05-08T10:49:42+00:00

When was the last time you jerked off, lol

NAILmg42 · 2020-05-08T15:38:17+00:00

Try about 6months ago my post on Psychological Origins of Male Mother Need that identifies HOPE and VALIDATION as the major obstacles. It's based on stardusks 55 minute long video of the same title which I recommend. You were taught to do work on yourself to become a human Doing, but society won't teach men to do work on themselves to stay alone and become a human being.

It will be in self discovery and your own humanisation of yourself that you WILL find this NEW self you describe you are transforming into. The truth pushes you their with each daily observation of reality, and HOPE is your past self struggling for a centre in a fantasy world sold to men that never existed.

If you truly care for a new you that will not become affected by the PUSH of reality, dragging men out of this unnatural world that still have the capacity to think, then understand you can't short cut the process without doing yourself a disservice. Consider Stardusks transformation, one born of no available previous advice and one of a new direction. To make his Storm and Void video, he said he stared at the wall for hours or days just to get the answer he wanted. He wouldn't relent, and his impressive effort merged Evolutionary psychological with the Red Pill to make the transaction you seek of change easy for others to follow. He put in the effort at the difficult philosophical level, and he achieved his INDIFFERENCE as a Human Being.

You cannot skip such hard yards for yourself or you will only have mgtow take you so far away from that which holds you back. You must do them, identify the obstacles each man faces, and come out stronger.

I will save my money for my brother's family who has past on our genes without my permission or knowledge. I will work to make sure my Nephew inherits it along with some 'knowledge'. I have hope for my family and my freedom not myself as a partner or as some slave father in this system, and that means no sex for me. I have combined the world's demands of becoming a Human Doing and repurposed it for me to become the Human Being I want to become.

"They must sell women to us men through our instincts, and if we men quarantine our instincts intellectually for any reason, then we must be quarantined".

When you recognise and understand the nature of the female and the State for the parasites they are to the human being you will become, you will hope to be among their company no longer brother.

Thaniii · 2020-05-08T20:38:35+00:00

Get married and be alive then

Title	Mgtow makes me feel dead inside.
Author	RegrayRelyks
Upvotes	69
Comments	43
Date	May 7, 2020 9:32 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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