Matt Forney, over at Roosh's mouthpiece, Return of Kings, wrote an article titled Why “Men Going Their Own Way” Is No Way For Men To Go: The creeping cult of male loserdom

Return of Kings is an ad-revenue wordpress style e-zine, so I don't recommend going to their heavily ad-laden site. So, here's a transcript, for commentary purposes for those interested in discussing, quote:

Why “Men Going Their Own Way” Is No Way For Men To Go The creeping cult of male loserdom
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In the past few months, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) has completed its devolution from a sensible philosophy of masculinity into a cult for lonely virgins. While I never identified as MGTOW myself, the old-guard MGTOW blog NO MA’AM (whose owner, Rob Fedders, has become so embarrassed by what MGTOW has become that he’s wiped almost all mention of it from his site) was a huge influence on my thinking; indeed, it was my introduction to anti-feminist thought in general.

The men who created the MGTOW philosophy a decade ago—zed, Ragnar, Rob Fedders etc.—were learned men, who’d seen the horrors of second- and third-wave feminism first-hand. They rode motorcycles, banged girls and read books, sharing their findings via blogs and forums. MGTOW was deliberately conceived as an “anti-movement,” in response to the impotence of men’s rights’ activists, and the “marriage strike“—the most recognizable part of modern “migtow” bleating—wasn’t even mentioned in the original MGTOW manifesto.

As it exists now, MGTOW has become a lonely hearts’ club for the refuse of the male species. Not only are most Virgins Going Their Own Way personally repellent losers, their “philosophy” is completely wrongheaded. Men Going Their Own Way will never appeal to anything more than the rejects of American society because it’s a philosophy that denies the fundamental nature of human beings. “Lack Of Sex Can Drive A Man Crazy”

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One common talking point of “migtows” is that their beliefs represent a completely new take on masculinity: the rejection of male subservience to women, or “pussy worship” as the permavirgins call it. This shows how historically illiterate—and arrogant—they are.

Spiritual and philosophical movements focused on celibacy and the denial of base urges have a long pedigree in human history, from early Buddhism and Jainism in India to the Catholic priesthood, monastic orders such as the Trappists, and quasi-Christian off-shoots such as the Shakers.

While it might inflate the bloated ego of the average “migtow” to be compared to great religious movements of the past and present, MGTOW fails even on that front. Monks and nuns don’t take the vows because they’re angry at not being able to get a date, they choose their lifestyles because they want to become closer to God.

Aside from avoiding women (in actuality being rejected by them), VGTOWs indulge in every vice available to them, from Cheetos to video games to masturbation. Their lifestyles are the very opposite of self-control.

The “migtow” aversion to interacting with women also has a less pleasant parallel to radical feminism. In the 1970’s, extremist feminists such as Andrea Dworkin argued for “political lesbianism,” where feminists only had relationships with other women, regardless of their sexual orientation. Dworkin’s logic was that since men were oppressing women, feminists who dated men were literally fraternizing with the enemy.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some “migtows” start advocating “political homosexuality” in the future. After all, since women are evil, ball-cutting, divorce-raping succubi, the only safe relationships are to be had with other men.

If you bang a dude, he won’t jam you for child support or falsely accuse you of rape, and you certainly won’t be “worshipping pussy” if you pack fudge (You’ll just be exposing yourself to HIV and drug-resistant gonorrhea, but hey, you gotta take the good with the bad). The Masculine And The Feminine

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More to the point, MGTOW will never catch on for the same reason that political lesbianism never became popular: they both deny the fact that men and women want to be with each other.

“Migtows” redefine all male-female relationships into male servitude of women, much in the same way that radical feminists recast relationships as men oppressing women. The problem with this is that the relationship between men and women is one of the most fundamental aspects of human existence. As Jack Donovan stated in his book No Man’s Land, masculinity and femininity are defined in opposition to each other; without one, the other cannot exist.

The idea that men can go it alone or that any form of relationship with women is “pussy worship” is a perversion of the flawed libertarian belief that the smallest unit of society is the individual. Both libertarians and VGTOWs ignore that humans are fundamentally interdependent, with countless relationships—laws, customs, family connections etc.—binding us. A society of atomized, disconnected individuals is no society at all. The smallest unit of society is not the individual, but the relationship between two individuals.

The reality is that as frayed as relations between the sexes are, men and women still fundamentally want to be together. Even the most Instagram-obsessed, passive-aggressive, narcissistic Millennial girl desires a man to take her. And despite their whinnying, the average Doritos-munching “migtow” would go “pussy worshipper” in a flash if a cute, agreeable girl was dropped in his lap. MGTOW, Will You Please Go Now!

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In the end, Men Going Their Own Way is a passing fad, limited to a few bottom-feeders who would have been shipped off to die on the battlefield in epochs less squeamish than our own. The de facto Marxism of most major “migtow” YouTube personalities—as evidenced by their pathological obsession with bashing “TradCons,” their autistic term for anyone who acknowledges the natural place of men and women—also renders them useless.

reddit, ancap-biochemist's note: if Matt Forney ever reads this, then I'd just like to tell him that I would prefer being useless in your view. What you're selling - I don't want. I would suggest you enjoy your "neomasculinity" and kindly fuck off, but keep getting the acronym of MGTOW out there if you want.

Despite their claims that “there’s no difference between the left and the right,” “migtows” almost never attack the misandrist, feminist left, even though it’s the left who holds all the power in the West.

Their impotent rage against anything deemed “TradCon”—even though “TradCons” have virtually no influence in society—indicates that “migtows” are just as opposed to the natural order of humanity as the average pierced-lipped, easily “triggered” Tumblrina.

“Migtows” are the social justice warriors of the manosphere: hysterical, intolerant of criticism, and driven entirely by emotion. Their vision of masculinity is one in which men turn inward, refusing to accomplish anything of value or engage with the world beyond crying on the Internet. MGTOW is no place for men who are proud of being men.

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May the digital millennium copyright act, revised edition have mercy on my soul, as commentary on materials in the public sphere is protected. All hail Zeus.

It's a circus, watching these tradcons lash out at anything that threatens their fragile sense of tradition.

That's all the commentary I feel like giving.

6,129 readers on this sub, 37 here now. I fail to see why people feel threatened by perpetual bachelors who enjoy being bachelors. I would rather MGTOW be a ghost-community, like a secret that people outside of it don't discuss. I just want to be left alone to build my life as I see fit, personally. Meh. Just more tradcon nonsense, shaming language, and noise.

edit I don't actually want a ghost community, I think "secret brotherhood" is more accurate. Though I do tend to ghost. Also, MGTOW are intolerant to criticism, as Matt Forney suggests, which is confusing because here I am reading ad hominem fallacy after ad hominem fallacy, trying to sift through it to find the critical element, for critical analysis... finding nothing but a naturalistic fallacy, or "the argument from human nature" as the moral standard. By that logic, it's perfectly natural for women to be gold diggers, therefore, gold digging is moral (by that logic). It is also moral to shit.