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[–]ConstantChinner172 points173 points174 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
And even then he is not truly loved.
[–]praiser198 points99 points100 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
A man can love his friends unconditionally and vice versa. Brotherhood is probably the best thing on earth
[–]hollybegin45 points46 points47 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Maybe it's just me but looks like even "The Brotherhood" is accessible only under substantial conditions. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
[–]QunatumJB12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This. Poor men-rich men, strong men-weak men, tall men-short men dont, usually mix or hang out. You need to be considered equal or superior. All human relationships are conditional. Get rich and you will have more 'friends' than ever. Best relationships can be with family aometimes or with your dog, otherwise get redpilled, there is no such thing like brotherhood, men are willing to kill you if hot woman will say so.
[–]ArchonofLights 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not always the case.
I'm small-statured and all my best friends since high school and elementary are taller than 6 ft. We may look different in one's eyes, but we love each other like brothers.
I understand what you're saying, but there really are people who truly care about you.
[–]Sir_manalot18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Most men only accept useful men into the brotherhood and kick them.out the moment they are no longer useful.
Some men have finally started to see the stupidity and fakeness of this, aka bromance.
But the majority are still aast partially blind (ex: tradcons, pussy obsessed puas, incels, etc)
[–]Dregenfox0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And what's wrong with that? If you can contribute something tangible to the group's success, then you are accepted into the group. If all you bring is a mouth, tits, drama, etc, then GTFO.
Unconditional love is overrated.
[–]hollybegin1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and so is, apparently, decency...
[–]SpecialistWerewolf4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
But it’s toxic and they want to take that away from you too.
[–]Judah_Earl1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most men will abandon their friends for pussy.
[–]ArchonofLights 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Interestingly, German thinkers in the nineteenth and early-twentieth-centuries believed that the best kind of love is the platonic friendship that occurs among men.
I, too believe this.
[+]toomanynames1998-8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, men can't love his friends. Men don't know what love is, but when it comes to a woman/dog/pet then maybe. That is what they are looking out for, after all. They want love, but want it very conditionally like women. But most of the time they fail and can't commit to failing. So, they become closets of men.
[–]lulz3r5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course not. He’s depended upon, not loved.
[–]ztsmart4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is better to be powerful and needed than to be loved
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[–]averis18 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're just too boneheaded.. ever heard of the word, logic my man?
Look at the Chris Rock quote again and tell me if that's not the reality men face their entire lives.
Disliking a select few cunty, selfish, hate-spewing human beings that are female doesn't mean we hate all women that we've met in life.
Like.. how dyslexic and moronic do you need to be to make an arguement you just made..?
My gosh, you're wasting my time.
Head over to r/MensRights/ and educate yourself on the real issues.
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[–]TheToadShroom 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I'm getting pretty tired of this too.
You know, here is a curve ball for all the lurkers. Even if we are hating on women... So what? Does that make our arguments less valid? I hate murder, so does that make any arguments I make against murder somehow void?
She hates misogynists, so does that mean her arguements against misogyny are void as well? See we don't really get anywhere with this. This sort of post modernistic attack goes both ways.
[–]empatheticapathetic28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
When I listened to his new special I realised he’s definitely spent some time reading the manosphere. Probably the natural route since he got divorced. The special was full of entry level redpills.
[–]waking-life7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He's always been a mix of red and blue. Doubt he's been reading the manosphere but who knows? I saw him live in NY during the break up / divorce in 2015 and he was ANGRY at women. Hardly made sense and wasn't really funny. But his anger was so deep that people around me were complaining.
[–]askmrcia4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm actually shocked to hear this. When he did his Netflix special he was on tour in Cleveland during that time.
He and Dave chapel (surprise guest appearance) spent nearly the entire time talking about stuff related to the manosphere.
Most of the jokes he used in NY (Netflix) he used in Cleveland. But in Cleveland he spent more time on how his ex and lawyers was after him during the divorce procedure.
[–]waking-life1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Would have been awesome to see him with Dave!
Some more context about the show I was talking about. I was on holiday in NY and managed to get the last spot downstairs at the Comedy Cellar to see a bunch of comedians whose names I didn't know. Eternally grateful I got let in, because the surprise drop-ins were Judd Apatow, Ray Romano and then Chris Rock.
Chris was on stage being not very funny and he started pacing and talking to himself "Come on Chris, find the joke, you've been doing this shit for 20 years". But he was really ripping into women in general. Some SJW near me was like "OK we get it, move on" but for me it was a once in a lifetime experience. He was really off and it was very interesting to watch.
Then I went and saw him twice when he came out to Australia, where he owned up to cheating and really showed a different side. And he used a lot of that same material in his Tamborine special.
[–]omega_dawg9321 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
men SHOULD get unconditional love from their mothers, but sometimes, even this isn't true.
[–]Suro_Atiros17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Rollo Tomassi said it best: "Women are not capable of loving men in the way that men need/want to be loved."
What this means, is that most men want to be loved unconditionally, just like the way they were loved by their mother. But women that they are romantically involved with cannot love them in this way. The love that a girlfriend/wife/etc. provides is wholly and completely conditional.
It is important to understand this, for the next time you enter into a relationship with a woman. Feel free to love her with all of your heart and soul. You are free to expect her to love you with all of her heart and soul -- but her love is temporary. In order to keep her around for any length of time, there's work that you need to do to maintain her level of interest.
There are many ways of doing this, but to forego the work, to pretend that she'll love you and give you blow jobs and cook you food until you're both 85 no matter what you do is just plain silly. That mindset is disconnected from reality.
If your grand plan is to grow fat and lazy, sit on the sofa and eat potato chips, drink beer and watch sports on TV, complain every time she wants you to go to her parents house, drag your feet through the grocery store, never tell her she's pretty, never fuck her in the way that she wants to be fucked, or in general not provide for her needs...
... then she won't provide for yours. And she'll leave you. And you'll be scratching your head wondering what the fuck just happened. It's called hypergamy, and it doesn't give a fuck about you or your feelings.
Yes. It is a lot of work. That's why it's a relationship. If that's not your particular brand of vodka, then I suggest not to enter into one. Stay single. Date occasionally. Bang who you want. Spin lots of plates.
But when the marriage comes crashing down because you didn't attend to her needs, and she didn't attend to yours, don't whine, bitch and complain. This is the game, fellas.
As Paul Elam says: "There are no victims, just volunteers."
[–]Ebrg1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Even if you work hard to maintain yourself and your relationship, she will still be capable of leaving you whenever a slightly better men shows up... It's never ever worth it, even if you think it is "your particular brand of vodka".
[–]Suro_Atiros3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True, but the same is true of you: you are capable of leaving her if something better shows up. No reason to stay in a loveless/sexless marriage regardless of how hard you work to maintain yourself.
But then again, if you don't see any type of LTR as "worth it", then that is also your choice. There is nothing wrong with not volunteering yourself for that lifestyle if you don't see a benefit.
Mine was just a warning to those who still believe that some form of an LTR is right for them: it's not easy, it takes work and you can't let your foot off the gas.
[–]LouElmo12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The brotherhood is also an illusion.
[–]JStheHammer 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bucket of crabs
[–]rromero263 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Crabs in. A bucket for sure. I had high school friends turn on mem15 years later when I was the only with a job car resume and girls.
[–]comptejete5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not necessarily a bad thing. The flip side of being owed nothing is not owing anyone anything, which I personally find liberating.
[–]richardisb0red13 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The truest thing ever said.
[–]madbutcher8810 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I had a girlfriend who told me that I am not a real man because I am not paying for at least 80 percent of her living expenses. I asked her what's her money for and she replied its for when she wants to go on a vacation so she doesn't have to ask me for money. She wanted everything from me and I wasn't even getting sex from her. Women don't care about the person they are with, they only care about what men can give them.
[–]JKMonk971 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a goddamn parasite! Holy shit...
[–]FalsePositiveRethink0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex is the tell.
If they aren't putting out, they see you as betabux.
If this is your situation you absolutely must Next them.
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[–]everythingisatoms30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
and yet men get blamed for not wanting to grow up
[–]jestvork[S] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, what a comeback.
[–]MasterFrost01-4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wow. This place is a shithole.
[–]MGTOW_Starter4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My friend.. this place is a diamond in the rough.
[–]NotMyWomen0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why peruse it and then post a comment?
[–]cat--facts-2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]throwaway_ftb3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
pretty much
[–]8017354 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Every sensei deserves a sensei.
[–]AntiAbleism1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men are seen as disposable trash.
[–]Official_RCLE 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They love what he provides, not him for being the provider. Sex and affection is just a reward, like a treat for a dog. That dries up eventually, but the providing never ends.
[–]Afab67 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Love from a woman can disappear in an instant. If I had to be in a relationship, I'd rather be needed than loved. If they need you, you get more respect.
[–]CrackingYs 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
His latest Netflix comedy special is kinda tragic, it sounds like the guy got fleeced by everyone and eventually surrendered. And now he has to do comedy specials to pay the bitch her alimony.
[–]FalsePositiveRethink2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Marriage. Not even once.
[–]E46M542 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Everyone in your life is leeching what they can get from you. Your immediate family may be an exception, but not always. A dog is probably the only friend worth having these days.
[–]Ghustgan1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rich and famous dudes like him are on the opposite side of the spectrum than the rest of us common peasantry. I bet he's seen and done some stuff and that's why he says this. He's most likely right.
[–]Wolfoflulzstreet0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Love Chris Rock.
[–]AstroBoolin 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts
[–]peacejudah 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to learn to love yourself
[–]Fabianstrategy10 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This should be "appreciated" not loved.
[–]oldrunnerguy0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Words so true . . . but if a man got loved when he did provide something to his wife what a better world it would be. We did not reduce marriage to prostitution, women did!!!
[–]francie-brady0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Know the truth and it will set you free. I am at peace with this FACT!
[–]Older_Miggy1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm at peace with it too, unfortunately I had to learn the hard way during my simp years.
[–]francie-brady0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The easy way didn't get my ears to listen. Only the hard way, the good old hard way.
[–]Zombocom19110 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
and the minute , nay very second, you are done providing for her and her brats, your ass is grass.
[–]Older_Miggy1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even if it's only a short term issue. Speaking from experience.
[–]drizztdourden420 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So true.
[–]0x123d0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like Chris has had a few red pills
[–]monaco_hodl 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oh darn, guess Im never gonna be loved....oh well
[–]TheToadShroom -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
IDK about that. Plato in the Lysis had great point, and it always stuck with me.
no one will love you if you do not benefit them.
I don't think it matters if your male or female. If we don't have something somebody wants, they won't care about us.
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