Sugar is bad?

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2016-12-01T17:07:21+00:00

I've been involved in these discussions since the heyday of Atkins.

What you mean: "Sugar in the form of natural fruits is good."

What the average person hears: "Sugar is great? Awesome! Bring on the Twinkies and pies!"

Folwart · 2016-12-01T17:34:25+00:00

I disagree. Try fueling yourself with fat for a few months and see how you feel. By the logic of 'the body uses glucose first' we could just easily surmise that alcohol is the preferred fuel, because that burns before glucose. When consumed with fiber, which is preferred, it slows the insulin response. This is a useful adaption as it allows us to store fat for periods when food is more scarce. We can control that though diet, and carbs are the key.

I like sweet stuff, I always have. It is a tough habit to break. At the end if the day that is all it is, a habit. The cognitive dissonance only adds to that difficulty, but it can be over come through research, experimentation and persistance. I have been experimenting for 6 to 8 months now, and only recently did my beliefs grow stronger than the habitual urges for sugar.

My desire for optimal long-term health now outweighs my desire for brief short-term pleasure. It is a feel-good world we live in where the focus is in pleasure and gratification in the moment, always chasing that next feel good feeling. Well, it feels good to beat the bullshit. The longer I stay on the wagon the better it feels and the better I feel both physically and mentally. Frankly, sugar should be treated more like alcohol and tobacco. When one is off of it for a while, one comes to feel the affects it really has and understand the semi-dependency they had on it, as with many other toxins.

I agree that it is okay in moderation, but that moderation is a much smaller amount than someone with a carb heavy diet would think. However, once they begin to take in the proper amount of protein and top off with fat they will find they no longer need to munch, less sugar tastes sweeter and smaller amounts are far more satisfying. I call that in between time a period of calibration. We do need maintenance and calibration, both mentally, spiritiually and physically. We are biological machines after all.

Terribledragon4Hire · 2016-12-01T16:44:01+00:00

You should really understand the difference between natural sugar and refined sugar.

manthrowingmyownway · 2016-12-01T18:14:43+00:00

Sugar is bad. Complex carbohydrates, not so much.

However, keeping carbohydrates on a low will lower your overall area under the curve (AUC) of 24H insulin, and as a result of that lower AUC of bioavailable IGF-1.

IGF-1 (and insulin) stimulates cellular proliferation -> higher risk of cancer and faster aging.

In other words, reducing sugar intake can reduce your cancer risk and slow down aging.

Get your sugar from veggies, and fruit, which will lower the insulin peak because of fibers. Combine it with intermittent fasting and you might increase your high quality life by several years, while keeping neural degenerative diseases at bay.

wiserTyou · 2016-12-01T18:52:01+00:00

Sugar is not necessarily the preferred fuel for cells. Ketones are another source and burn much cleaner. Sugar is also highly addictive and raises insulin levels leading to metabolic disorders. The human body does not require sugar to function. Ketones can provide most of the energy required to live and the liver may produce glucose in the absence of sugar through neoglucogenesis. Two slices of whole wheat bread are about the same as a Snickers.

justareflektorr · 2016-12-01T16:34:24+00:00

agreed, yet there is a sideffect of sugar as in western diabetes epidemic.

ElectricGhostD · 2016-12-01T16:55:19+00:00

r/zerocarb

embaira · 2016-12-01T17:18:36+00:00

what my rules regarding sugar are:

for every 1 day you eat sugary stuff, do 3 days of 30-50 grams of sugar (max) or less.
cycle low sugar periods with periods of sugar loading (example: 2 days of high sugar/eat what you want kind of diet followed by 6 days of low sugar/high fat diet.

whole thing looks like this

High sugar days: 60% carbs/sugar 30% fat 10% protein High fat days: 60-70% fat 10% sugar 20-30% protein

Also from personal experiments I found that meal cycling works better if you don't mix macronutrients together. Example: meal 1 and meal 2 pure protein meal 3 and meal 4 mostly healthy fat .

Hope this helps

enlightenedmgtow · 2016-12-01T19:38:01+00:00

Fructose, okay in moderation.

Table sugar? Stay away like the plague.

At least with fruit you're getting some good micronutrients. But to each their own.

gravelheart · 2016-12-01T23:00:06+00:00

If anything, sugar fucks your teeth.

Raiden627 · 2016-12-01T23:07:50+00:00

Sugar does damage artery walls and makes us more tolerant to insulin which then requires more of it to be effective in blood sugar control. Avoiding sugar is important but our body is stupid and rewards us with dopamine when we eat it (it's an old survival mechanism, like eating fatty foods and sweet to stave us off from the days of starvation and tribal hunter and gatherers). Natural sugar from fruits can be had responsibly. I consume no more than 2 pieces of fruit a day (a pear and a banana, and avoid adding sugar to drinks).

IslandicFreedom · 2016-12-02T04:35:11+00:00

Ah this moron once again dishing out his ignorance.

HookahArtillery · 2016-12-02T06:01:12+00:00

This is the mgtow board not /r/ketogenic lol

I mean i know mgtow tends to advocate certain lifestyles to boost testosterone but honestly i don't think anyone cares if you consume carbs even too many refined ones

Talkytalktalk · 2016-12-01T16:47:04+00:00

It's like putting the wrong octane gas in a car.

UgOss · 2016-12-05T22:15:07+00:00

Sugar is poison so u get diabetes and pharmaceutical makes money. Eating fat doesn't mean u gonna get fat, fat is strength. Look at bread, it's light looks weak. Look at butter...

Thevoiceofreason420 · 2016-12-01T21:46:27+00:00

Beer has sugar I think, time to drink more beer.

Pft like I need an excuse to drink beer.

Title	Sugar is bad?
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Date	December 1, 2016 4:18 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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