The problem with TheRedPill sub

secret626 · 2017-09-26T09:29:22+00:00

I learned a lot from TRP, but MGTOW is better. TRP guys consider themselves "alpha" or "beta" DEPENDING ON women's reaction to them.

They put the women in the center of everything, then they tell stories "How alpha I am".

6tfcxdr54eszaw32q1 · 2017-09-26T09:42:19+00:00

I discovered r/TheRedPill prior to seeing r/MGTOW, but I still was aware of MGTOW. It was no comparison. So much disgusted me reading TRP..just the constant giving of validation to women. That's fine if you want to validate their existence but not my path.

UglyPrince2000 · 2017-09-26T09:45:24+00:00

I don't understand why they call themselves red pill, there is nothing really red pill about them. They are just PUA pussy chasers at the end of the day. Also lift......

Cabshear · 2017-09-26T12:55:07+00:00

What turned me off is their incessant need to humilate each other constantly.

"X hurt lad exposed to irrational female posts about X problems with women"

RedPillRandy: "you pussy PoS! Stop bitching you dumbass!!!! Fucking lift bro!!!! Slay pussy like yesterday! Bitch about being manipulated by women, but manipulate them! Learn to be a pick up artist n'shit....

Bro lift....."

I don't need to brag about my time at the gym. Regardless, if its a large part of my life or not.
People who are new to being red pilled are often pretty hurt by people they loved and confided in. Humiliating them doesnt really help.
I'm not gonna be a hypocrite. If I don't like toxic chaotic, manipulative behavior then I'm not gonna subject myself to it. Human's are predatory creatures, mammals to be exact. However, we also have reason which can at times be a better guide than blindly following instincts every single time. Deliberation is key.
The support I got from MGTOW enabled me to rebuild a much stronger life rather than the stress of being bombarded with humiliation and mindless name calling. Nothing creative or constructive in calling someone a pussy or a bitch.
I'm not gonna deny my nature as a human animal. I like sex. Does this mean I have to worship vag? No. Does it mean I have to be a PUA? Nope.
If a RP man is a man aware to the predatory nature of men and women and lives accordingly then I'm game! If its about being a pick up artist, lift lyfe, and empty posturing while name calling men looking for honest advice...nah, I'm good.

There is always "false empowerment" which are actually pitfalls to self growth.

Essentislly, "going my own way" is the main ingredient in my brand of Egoism. I have my own ideas as to why modern women act the way they do (I see alot of emaculated, domesticated collectivist men wandering around expecting The State to take care of them as well)

Ruby-xy · 2017-09-26T10:01:08+00:00

They are slaves to their male nature and need validation from women. They have a red-pill view on women, but as for their own male nature they are the peak of blue-pill.

2017-09-26T13:28:37+00:00

the problem with the Red Pill Sub is they are Pussy Worshipers and are dancing monkeys for Women ,they still Seek Approval and External Validation from Women they just use alternate methods .Women are Still in Control of them, they do all that gym and work and macho bs just to impress Women. Dancing Monkeys. No matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise.

Nuff Said .

Thinkpadoutlaw · 2017-09-26T10:10:15+00:00

GayLubeOil is that you?

some_words44 · 2017-09-26T12:35:10+00:00

It seems they are just in the pre-MGTOW phase. Some of them will eventually realize it was all in vain, or destroy themselves.

_stegosaurus · 2017-09-26T15:11:17+00:00

I no longer respect what women consider attractive. It is a caricature of manhood, not actual manhood. Basically, "upping your SMV" for women makes you less of a man in most cases, and more of a provider robot, or a disposable chad. The whole premise of TRP sub may work, but it is the wrong emphasis for men.

The best path is to disregard their preferences and become what you want to be on your own terms. So maybe the bottom line is that MGTOW is about about maximizing your own potential with yourself as the end game and TRP the end game is still success with women. We constantly point out how their nature is flawed and often predatory, so if you optimize yourself to succeed with that I don't think it can create as good of an outcome as focusing on yourself with disregard for their preferences. Their preferences are absurd.

potlizard · 2017-09-26T12:11:03+00:00

I think 80% of being alpha is your native personality anyway. Yeah, it's absolutely easier to adopt that Alpha persona if you're built like a Greek god. But there are plenty of Alpha types that I am NOT physically intimidated by (and I'm not a real big dude) but they are just outgoing and have an innate confidence and charisma that can't be learned. Besides, I think it's more consistent with the MGTOW philosophy to just go about your business without regard to what's going to get you into womens' pants. On the other hand, if you want to get laid, (and who among us is totally immune to the siren song of the pussy) and don't want to be a blue-pill chump, being an alpha Chad is the way to go. And if you want to do that, you better be yoked and tattooed.

Sol_Install · 2017-09-26T13:19:04+00:00

MGTOW is "We're not playing this game." TRP is "We understand the game but were going to try to win the game." I'm all for self improvement but it's about men not bedding some HB9/10 chick and have her in my life. I'm all for personal responsibility but I don't want to be in a position where I have wonder if I'm holding frame enough for a woman who is allowed to show weakness.

If you want to get laid and keep playing this ugly game, TRP is the way for you. If you want to just walk away, MGTOW is the way for you. There is also concern in TRP about maintaining civilization and so on. However, nowhere in that concern is concern for men. Workplace deaths, unemployment, suicide, stress, etc.

ThisIsntDebateClass · 2017-09-26T15:02:24+00:00

Yep, mentioned this before. The subtext of TRP stuff is that women's ridiculous expectations for men are correct. After all, why else would you try to match said expectations and say you deserve praise for doing just that?

"I stopped being a beta and am now an alpha! Women love me now!" = "I turned into the type of despicable creature that attracts women! Self-improvement!" What this ultimately means is that women are the judges of what constitutes a high quality male. And by being happy with becoming that, you are acknowledging their standards are correct.

Afab67 · 2017-09-26T18:58:48+00:00

TRP and MGTOW share certain issues, but are not the same at all. As you've pointed out, they are very much into game and I wish them well. I'm fine with Red Pills because they get it, they know what they're getting themselves into, and have (hopefully) the correct mindset to deal with the inevitable consequences. It's the blue pill betas that I still feel bad for. They still worship women and think that because they're "good guys" that one day their attentiveness will be rewarded. I know a lot of people bash betas, but we really need to try and show them the light whenever we can.

Aussiewolf82 · 2017-09-26T12:39:22+00:00

What they do should be irrelevant to you really. GYOW means also leaving behind dudes who are stuck in the system. They have to wake themselves up.

Augustine2017 · 2017-09-26T18:37:20+00:00

After reading TRP "field reports" for months now, here's my question:

What the hell is the point?

A guy spends hours or days working out and changing his looks, then spends MORE time and money buying women drinks, just to bang her once and move on?

As a long-term strategy, it does NOTHING. Better to improve yourself for your own happiness than to earn the shallow approval of women.

aanarchist · 2017-09-26T19:28:16+00:00

it's gotten to a point of full censorship i was permabanned for speaking the truth, and they've been endorsing generic amog posers who follow the rules instead of truth seekers who follow their own rules.

sonic1101 · 2017-09-26T19:32:52+00:00

I haven't been on there but from what you say that sounds like a load of bullshit. Guys just trying to make themselves more attractive to women? That is not MGTOW at all. I think the concept of alpha and beta is TOTAL NONSENSE and an insult to men to over simplify them in that way like animals. You can bet women would not tolerate bullshit terms like that if they were applied to them. By the way, I don't even lift.

comptejete · 2017-09-26T10:52:05+00:00

I understand their strong push for self-improvement I do however think that at the end of the day, despite their claims, they are doing it for the wrong reasons.

Most young men just want to get laid. If that's the reason you're improving yourself, is it necessarily a bad thing? If you genuinely put some effort into your physical health, appearance, culture and actively pursuing the things you enjoy, you will gain an enormous amount of self respect and confidence and eventually grow out of the need for female approval. The ultimate truth is that appealing to women is a mere side benefit of becoming a better man, and if done right this epiphany should hit everyone at some point.

Men chose to shun female company for various reasons, there are no doubt many men who do so because they feel they cannot even begin to meet a woman's fickle demands and decide not to bother, but there are also men who have had their fill of relationships and discovered there's more to life than pursuing access to a moist orifice. It's a bit like spending a day on the lake, you're just happy to knock back a couple of beers with your mate, whether you actually catch any fish or not is largely irrelevant to the experience.

Vergil387 · 2017-09-26T19:51:25+00:00

I pointed this out a lot in the past already and you basically did yourself as well brother, but to put it simple the guys at TRP are nothing but POSERS.

the concept behind taking the red pill has always been to help men wake up and withdraw themselves from the gynocentric society that we been force to live in and these guys are totally doing the opposite of that and you again point it that out yourself with

UP... YOUR... SMV ... leaves me thinking, are they trying to self-improve (as in, be someone you like, be someone you can respect, have some dignity) or are they pedestalizing pussy, trying to match women's (fickle) espectations and are thus another variation of "blue pill" ?

hell I remember a while back another user made a similar op to yours. I cant find it right now but this guy pretty much caught a lot of TRP posting stuff on /r/escorts and /r/prostitution. think about it if these guys were really that successful with women as they say would they be posting in these type of sites?

anyways going back to the poser part that is exactly what those guys are. I find it kinda funny how they claim to be these so called superior alpha males when their subreddit is

Members only
Got more rules than a catholic private school's rule book
Break one of their thousand rules and get banned in no time

is like they got some sort of a 3rd grade complex, they treat their little subreddit like its their secret club

only the cool kids are allowed in are club!

no girls or losers allow!

you want to be in our club you gotta pass the test!

like seriously I can see why they're are the most joked on subreddit as of now

throwawaypsycho80 · 2017-09-26T11:09:56+00:00

Red pillers are the biggest fakers. Lemme give you an example from their sub:

what you're talking about is MGTOW. men going their own way. Lots of guys feel exactly the way you do. Problem is, it's easier said than done. unless you really have your shit together, and you're somewhere on 'the gray A' sexually, living a life devoid of physical affection/intimacy will slowly eat away at you.

There you have it. They dream about the golden vjayjay, even "love" but go about it in a much more complex way, yet call them selves "Alphas" and even have the audacity to mock MGTOW

ZeroBlink · 2017-09-26T11:17:18+00:00

Yeah they're doing all the things, so that they can loose em to 3 different wifes.

WhistlingAlong · 2017-09-26T11:43:44+00:00

Never visited there as I've never used reddit before going mgtow but I'm glad I skipped it.

ru-Alex · 2017-09-26T12:56:30+00:00

UP... YOUR... SMV ... leaves me thinking, are they trying to self-improve (as in, be someone you like, be someone you can respect, have some dignity) or are they pedestalizing pussy, trying to match women's (fickle) espectations and are thus another variation of "blue pill" ?

How is self-improvement for the pussy is worse than self-improvement for any other thing?

What's bad about pedestalizing pussy if what they want is to get laid?

It can't be a variation of blue pill, because you talk about values and Red pill / blue pill is a metaphor for knowledge, not the values. So you're wrong.

Guys, you need to decide if you want MGTOW to become a group identity, or if you want MGTOW to be a philosophy abot personal choice. These things are in contradiction.

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2017-09-26T13:10:22+00:00

They lost me when I saw a post about the appropriate stoic facial expression to have while fucking a chick. Seriously??

IMR800X · 2017-09-26T13:31:47+00:00

Bunch of greasy dude-bros hopelessly addicted to the voodoo punanny.

rahl_r · 2017-09-26T13:47:00+00:00

TRP? The communication with these types does get difficult at times:

TRP Bro: "Lift, bro!"

Me: "Lift, you say? I don't know, I have some mixed thoughts about it, my man. I mean, with my spine being a little bit more curved than the normal (got an MD's opinion on that), lifting would be risky for me. Also, generally speaking, do you see these bodybuilders in their 50s/60s/70s, how the sport actually wears down their bodies? You know, they grow a few inches shorter due to the constant pressure applied to their spinal discs, they have heart problems, and stuff. However, as for me, I've been considering calisthenics. Would you, please, offer a perspective on that?"

TRP Bro: "STFU bitch, you little nerd weakling you. You need to lift, bitch, because TRP gods said so! Calisthenics weak shit, you a fag ballerina or something? Go stick a police baton up your ass."

Me: *sigh*

Also, not a Greek god here. At 6/10 SMV, at best. So if I pushed myself really, really hard, I would get to what? I'd get to about 7/10 - all while adopting the persona of women's entertainment monkey. Even 7/10 ain't enough to keep them around, so, meh.

shockred · 2017-09-26T14:40:11+00:00

I don't get the rivalry between TRP and MGTOW.

Both are based on evolutionary psychology and observed behaviour of today's women. TRP seeks to abuse them, MGTOW just doesn't bother.

What do you care what some other guy does with that knowledge?

throwawaypsycho80 · 2017-09-26T14:48:17+00:00

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trpbritguy · 2017-09-26T15:19:54+00:00

Lots of TRP guys don't realise that you are either an alpha or you're not. Not necessarily born like it but it is part of you from an upbringing. If you work for a "boss" that's not alpha is it? Your boss is! If you submit to others in anyway, that's not alpha either.

Most of what I know now I knew anyway.. I'd just repressed it for a couple of decades and turned a bit pussy on myself.. The ONLY thing you really need to concern yourself with in life is IDGAF!! Once you have mastered that, you win!

/r/askMRP /r/marriedredpil /r/TheRedPill/

All the same stuff, a bunch of guys that either:

1) Don't know how to NGAF or 2) Didn't know how to NGAF but have learned!

46 years of this earth 3 long LTR's, over a decade single and one 10 year marriage (still going) and this is the key..

IDGAF!

gwm_mgtow · 2017-09-26T16:40:52+00:00

TRP try to make up all these glorious explanations and excuses of how they understand the opposite sex and then they brag to each other about how right they are and try to be validated while as MGTOW don’t give a fuck because we know that there are no unicorns and we can honestly say that we are 100 percent different and we accept that. We’ve come to the realization through experience that we will never understand why woman do what they do and we do not give a shit because we don’t want to waste our time trying to figure out. TRP are constantly trying to figure out woman as if they are some mysterious exotic alien with some porno pussy that holds the secrets to their meaningless life.

CZ-75 · 2017-09-26T16:50:46+00:00

A bunch of guys now take steroids

mma13579 · 2017-09-26T17:41:40+00:00

Personally my views are in between trp and MGTOW, I agree with many things on both sides. Sometimes my mindset changes over time, one week I feel more trp and pua, some weeks I feel like MGTOW and ignoring women completely.

ShadyShopkeeper · 2017-09-26T18:15:13+00:00

Late to the party, but "Up your SMV" is great advice. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by cutting body fat and increasing the weight you can lift. You can go from '2' to '6' with this one simple trick, available to nearly every man on the planet.

Think of a 23y/o 5'4" 170lb woman who is having problems keeping men around. Do you think she would still have that problem at 110lbs?

Jcart105 · 2017-09-26T20:29:18+00:00

/r/TRP is like the mainstream sales model of "the customer is always right" (except replace customer with woman) — that is the fundamental issue with it.

beathelas · 2017-09-26T22:00:22+00:00

I think the red pill is a pursuit of mastery. Mastery over women and self. They open their minds to the possibilities of relationships and try to find truth instead of accepting the baby formula of society.

As far as looking for validation from their community, that's just help. There's nothing wrong with looking for help.

AndzrelBaenre · 2017-09-26T22:52:36+00:00

I understand what you all of you are saying but if you look at both subs objectively they're not that different.

Both subs recognize the pettiness, the bullshit games, and the greediness of a lot of today's modern women. Both subs focus on making you the best you can be.

It's like a spectrum. On the far left you get the TRP guys who teach/learn about being alpha and spinning plates. Getting pussy to come to you, fucking the hottest women they can find without acting like a cuck to get it. No real relationships, no real commitments.

In the middle you got a TRP and MGTOW guys who have had enough and are there to learn/teach and support each other. Building the best man that you can be and living the best life you can live without the constant approval-seeking of women. Nobody in this part of the spectrum is full Monk but they focus on themselves and is pussy comes along great but they don't play the games or commit.

On the far right you got the hardcore MGTOW monks. They are just so done with the bullshit that they won't inconvenience themselves for even a second when the pussy comes to them.

I'll take it a step farther and bet you money that if you use that spectrum and added the ages of the guys in it, it would go young to old, left to right.

At the end of the day everyone on both subs has their eyes open. Regardless of where we are on the TRP/MGTOW spectrum we should be supporting each other.

Arguing amongst ourselves because we don't all do the same things in the same ways sounds to me like some blue pill women's mind game bullshit.

LeftAndRed · 2017-09-26T23:03:45+00:00

TRP is fine. It's just different calculus between them and MGTOW. We see the flame as something worth handling and try to learn how to do so safely and best. MGTOW just renounces the flame.

It's just about your appetite for risk and patience with the "fairer" sex.

plutosheen · 2017-09-27T03:33:18+00:00

TRP's observations are similar to mgtow but their conclusions differ greatly from us. They think they can beat the system. We think it is not worth the risk or effort.

ThoughtsYouNever · 2017-09-27T04:13:56+00:00

You know all women had to do was to be true partners instead of abusive two-faced leeches and they couldn't even accomplish that.

They had one general job to do. One job. And now it's too late.

Dank_Meems · 2017-09-27T20:50:06+00:00

I stopped going there a while ago. I will admit, they do a good job at "holding frame" (if you will) when you call them out on their bullshit. They will give a decent explanation with facts (sometimes) on why they do what they do. But it is so hypocritical it's hilarious. They spend 100% of their time trying to figure out better ways to fuck girls, to show the world they don't care about girls............................. Like feminism, it makes sense if you don't think about it.

ShadowverseRick · 2017-10-01T09:40:46+00:00

What if I don't want to lift? What if I'd rather do swimming cardio and live a vegan lifestyle?

THINK ABOUT IT i can snub my noise at licking pussy and say her vag smells like a dying carcase because she eats dying carcases.

I just negged her.

I don't get stuck sticking my face in smelly pussy.

I comeout as morally superior.

batfish55 · 2017-09-26T11:10:21+00:00

Stop reading the TRP sub. Read Rollo instead.

Title	The problem with TheRedPill sub
Author	throwawaypsycho80
Upvotes	83
Comments	107
Date	September 26, 2017 9:19 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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