When a man goes MGTOW....

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It's the only thing that I can honestly say in my life that is a legitimate 100% occurrence.

Quite interesting that this is not only across age groups but cultures and ethnicities. WTF is going on?

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-12. Another single man becomes a millionaire.

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Canadian but Notre Dame is a signal that we need to launch the 10th Crusade to first reclaim Western Europe (the east is safe for now because they had to deal with Communism) and later crusades to retake North Africa, Anatolia and Constantinople and the Holy Land for Christiandom

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Thats true. I give you that. But you almost elected Hillary. And then the story would be completely different. We would all be in world war 3 with Russia. And muzzies would win even faster.

The same system that puts Trump in power is the same system that is steadily declining, and no matter how many copings, and how many Trumps you have, in the end we know where this goes. Its the roots that are corrupted, so.

Anyways. What im trying to say, is that Trump himself is still gynocentric. And no Trump like figure will take women's rights away, on the contrary they will sustain the system that will keep things this way.

Closing the borders will not fix the situation. Its a coping. It will not raise your bithrates. It will not fix your economy. But you know that. So why even debate me then with this bluepill bullshit? Or blame it on the Europeans. You are mgtow. Not some cucked American or whatever you want to call yourself, fighting for a system that is obviously your enemy.

And you are not even American. If you are anything you are European. You came from Europe. America is an artificial idealized state that can fail at any moment, just like the Roman Empire.

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The system is very corrupt, but the good thing is that the government FEARS the public. An armed public is citizens. A disarmed public is subjects.

Is Trump gynocentric? Yes, to some extent. But he also knows when to put women in their place. Remember, he didn't jump on board when Ford made up that rape claim against Kavanaugh. He is much less bad for men than any other recent president. So in that regard, he hasn't done anything against men, whereas a lefty would have instituted a bachelor tax or something now. Every country is on that slippery slope where men will one day just be slaves to women. That's a whole different discussion, but Trump is not contributing to feminism in any significant way.

I don't care if the birthrate is low. There is nothing we can do to fix it short of taking women's rights away, and that will never happen no matter who is in charge, due to women being the majority of voters. The best I can hope for is to postpone the collapse until after I'm dead. In that regard, Trump is useful. Also, Europe is facing all those same problems, and in fact is further down the slope than we are (in terms of dropping birthrate and uncontrolled immigration). In ths US, we at least get to pick who our leader is.

The US economy is GREAT, and it's WAY stronger than Europe. So I'm not concerned about that. I'm not fighting for any particular system.

And I AM an American. I was born here. I identify strongly with my european heritage and would love to help them if I could, but it's already too late. Europe is already 8-10% muzzie. They are 10-15 years away from collapse. The only thing I can do for my brothers over there is invite them to get away while they still can.

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Well yes. Putting it that way. Its a good step in the right direction. But it gets confusing what the right direction is, when whatever you do now, the gynocentric rooted system will benefit from it.

But this is what we cant predict at this point. May you thrive. And may the Europeans get their gun rights too one day. Im 100% with you on that. I just dont get why you hate European men, when this is going this way since the end of World War 2. Weren't you supposed to hate Americans actually? Goddamit you were not supposed to blame it on men again if you know about mgtow.

Do you see how that goes? Saying that European men are to blame? Blame for being closer to muzzies, and for having imported (forced on us), the same American culture that screwed you over. Fake equality. Coca cola, sometimes war.

Europe resisted muzzies for more than a millenium. Europe is the only continent in the world that was able to push back islam in just a few countries. You think islam is something like an empire and we are playing a game. Islam is an ideology that makes sense to a lot of fighting capable men, because it gives them more rights than American culture gives, and it is completely anti-gynocentric.

The same way you are speaking about islam. Is no different than the old roman angrily and desperately trying to fight off the christians, when he himself ends up as a christian. And notice the paralels, Romans were heavily armed, yet they all turned christian. So keep your finger on the trigger, and watch your back, because you might become an enemy of yourself one day, if you keep loving the system that cucks you, while blindly taking it out on those that are not much worse off.

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We dont want you here. We rather side with the Russians. We are in this mess because most of us still side with America. Russia is doing fine. The borders are being closed in half European countries. And the others will do the same. Brexit is a sign of what we truly want. We will do it. But first take your hands and your military away. What about that? Seems you are scared Russia and Europe will come into terms. And you talk about "saving us". When all you did was carpet bomb Germany from the sky, when the Russians did all the fighting. You dont even understand what you fight for, because of so much coca cola you drink. In reality, you just came in the end to protect your interests, and spread your bullshit gynocentric culture. Talk about "saving". Europe is and will always be better than anything else in the world. You are just jealous, and you never been to Europe.

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If i wanted. I would throw out all those parties, but we would take out American influence out first. We would become the Europe of the nations back again, with closed borders, with no consumerism, no socialism, no american interventionism. Hitler in his first years did something similar and he recovered the economy in 2 years. I wonder who is living on the backs of others.

Plus some deals with Russia here and there. And we are good to go. Guess who doesnt really want that? Russia? China? No. ---> America.

But this is not even what i want. Because i dont give fuck. Mgtow is apolitical, we dont care about your bullshit. We care only about ourselves. So go spread your political agenda elsewhere, this is for man who only fight for themselves, not for Europe, or America. And certainly we dont welcome infighting. So get your ass out of here, if you think European men should be the target of your frustrations.

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Romans failed to fight off the barbarian hordes because they ran out of money, just like every countryn with fiat currency eventually does.

Romans failed to fight off barbarians, because the armies were no longer fighting for the illusion of Rome. Rome was an idea. America is an idea. Islam is an idea. Ideas come and go.

Rome fell apart because it became an empire. When it becomes an empire it forgets about the patrias. Then it forgets about the family and the culture, and it serves only the profits (like america now). And as it became an empire the strong and smart roman men realized they would rather fight for themselves elsewhere (mgtow). Thats when you got the Marian reforms (privatized military), later on (mercenary military). And the civil wars. And the economical crysis after. Because essentially all empires fall apart, no matter what you do. You are very green mgtow.

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They are coping. The leaders behind those leaders (Because if you have more than two braincels, you understand those leaders are not the actual decision makers), know exactly what is happening. And know that europeans and americans are not having babies and families, no matter how you put it, and no matter who is to be blamed for. Its the mouse utopia experiment. The leaders behind your leaders, are not as stupid as you would think. They have the resources, they have incalculable information about social engineering and human nature, they know exactly what is happening.

They know about the cycle of civilizations, and they know how all other empires ended. You need to be a bit more humble brother, to understand what is happening, or you might fall for the next agenda or war mentality. And you might find yourself with a gun in your hand fighting against your brother, and against yourself.

One question. Do you think this system that depends on the women vote and laisse faire, would play with fire by opening the doors to muslims? Do you think that is by choice? OR by necessity? Its not like they want those muslims, its just that they rather have the muslims making families, than end like venezuela. They would not play with fire like that. Muslims will overthrow the elites if they are enough numbers, and they have no qualms about what to do with them.

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350,000,000

You also have nukes. You can have whatever you want. You can also have all the money and material resources. That doesnt fix the birthrates. No civilization reversed from 2.0, and you know that. Go ahead. Keep beating yourself for this. Muzzies are your enemies go ahead fight them, someone will benefit from that, obviously.

So, the muzzies wont be able to take over here until they outnumber us like 2-1 or 3-1.

How do you think they are taking over europe? With guns? How do you think they are actually taking over the world? You wont have enough bullets.

Guns are good. But the problem is more complex and deeper than that.

If islam was actually our problem.

Just to remind you Islam conquered half the world in 1 decade. That should tell you something.

That men opted for islam on those days.

So keep your finger on the trigger. Instead of looking at the actual PROBLEM.

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My point is the muslims cant overrun us because we the people have guns. Will our civilization eventually crash from low birthrate? Yes. Can I do anything about it? No. Do I care if that happens? No, because it won't be till after I'm dead. Call me a nihilist if you will. I'm just enjoying the clown world show.

They are taking over Europe by flooding into Europe by the millions, and Merkel and her ilk welcome them with open arms (and open legs). Look at the rape rate in Germanyistan or Swedenistan. Look at the grooming gangs in the UK. Once the muslims get to 15% of the population or so, the violence starts. One muslim extremist can kill 25-30 europeans in a mass shooting or a car bombing, and they have no means to defend themselves. Sure, the media narrative is NAMALT, but that's only true until they have sufficent numbers.

Look at the yellow vest riots. France is supporting millions of "refugees", and raised taxes to outrageous levels on their populace, who is now rioting.

I know what the problem is. It's women voting. What would you have me do about it?

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They are coming into Europe, invited by the elites. Because thats how they are coping with the economy of low birthrates. America will eventually be forced to do the same or perish like venezuela. The only difference is that America wont have islam, that takes women rights away quickly and elevates local men who convert. So you will be under heavy gynocentrism and hedonism, with lots of bread and circus to distract you from the problem (and blame it on europeans or muslims, anddd grrrr those europeans), while you will be replaced even faster. How about that? You wont have sharia to protect the rights of men. You will be cucked, and your race and identity will disappear even faster. Because thats what has been happening, and we know thats the way it ends. Islam is a totally different beast, that we didnt try yet. But if you travel to a muslim country women have no rights there. And even in the most poor inhospitable places, like the desert, they still can keep something of a society. Something the gynocentric snowflakes would not be able to do without some bullshit scheme.

Once the muslims get to 15% of the population or so, the violence starts.

Yes. Violence starts before that. Violence always existed, and it will always exist. Who cares. I dont care. If it gets shitty as you say, I will go to eastern asia. So what. Are you going to shame me as a coward for not fighting for Europe? Are you even a mgtow or you are an infiltrator?

Look at the history of Lebanon. Lebanon was christian, now its majority muslim. Did they kill all those christians? All dead right? See. You are ignorant, and a fool. Lebanon simply converted, most men are the same lebanese racial stock, they did not get replaced, genetically speaking.

What you are truly afraid is that America will withdraw from Europe and wont be able to project is power globally like before, ending gynocentrism. I cant wait for that honestly.

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There are two types of freedom. Positive freedom and negative freedom. In this world sometimes the word freedom is thrown around too often to defend wrong causes.

Of course the freedom to eat bacon etc... it is good to have that choice. But certain "freedoms" are exactly what enslave men. You wouldnt have that word used so often. If freedom wasnt just that, a weapon that turns men into slaves of an economic system. You are free. We are all free. So free, but in reality we are only free because that suits the slave owners profits.

Dont believe me? Check all the social engineering behind advertisement. They know exactly how to make you buy, even if you are a smartass and you dont buy, the other cucks will.

Porn, beer and videogames make you weak and half of that is used to enslave men. Go check how porn is used was used in certain conflicts as a weapon to demoralize determined enemy.

Im not saying you shouldnt have those freedoms. Im saying those freedoms exist for a reason, and you are bombarded with those "freedom" whether you like it or not.

So freedom can also be FREEDOM, from those things. The real freedom, is when you are free from addiction and you live for better things. Just as women and especially in this society, with mgtow, you are free from them, you are also free to have them, but having the freedom to have them, mgtow realized, is negative, while the freedom to not have women and essentialy, be free from them, is a superior freedom.

In a world where even is consuming shit, and drugs, alcohol, porn and video games, and at some point they are mentally ill, and physically sick, and they cant even live without those things, that are certainly unnatural, then tell me if they are actually free. Or slaves of those things.

European ideals are based on stoicism. Your freedom lies on having those things, the world of material, matter, mother, thats rather a feminine type of freedom, and hedonistic freedom, although necessary too, dont get me wrong. Our freedom originally speaking, was living free the very things we found to enslave the soul and destroy you as a freee man. Thats the real type of freedom. Thriving without any drugs and addictions, that the true freedom this system that wants you cucked doesnt want you to discover. Because then you will be strong and you will not be their slave. Now you understand why im not always pro-freedom. But in the final equation, i cant deny the fact the freedom to eat bacon is always freedom.

Nothing but weights to lift and good food, mostly raw meat. Should be what makes a man free and thriving.

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I know what the problem is. It's women voting. What would you have me do about it?

Goddamit. Take them away. Before you even shame another man about anything. Say that. You are so strong about shaming other men. But you are such a cuck when it comes to taking womens rights away. You see? You are scared of the true fight, you wont dare saying it, not even here. Not in your social media. But you do say European men are to blame. Because thats typical and easy, and basically all we have been doing since we are gynocentric, shaming and blaming other men.

Take your womens rights away before you even point your fingers at anyone else. You started the problem in America and spread it all over the world. Now the virus is mutating into different forms. Europe is one of them. If we are lucky we end our terms with America and start dealing with Russia. Then we can absolutely close our borders.

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Crusades make no sense when the society being defended is feminist, and your enemy is not. Christiandom was always cucked. And there wouldnt be a need for islam, or it wouldn't be invented and spread half the world in one decade, if men were not tired of the hipocrisy and failure of christianity.

Before having these cucked thoughts of fighting other men just because you are angry at what feminism did to our culture, think. Think who will reap the rewards of such a war, certainly not men, and certainly it would be a triumph for the western feminist societies, and the slavery of men.

Dont be a useful idiot. Defeating islam will not solve the problem (yet). Fighting islam at this stage will only advance the agenda that will lead to your demise. You know this is true, even if you dont like it.

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Let me ask you brother when Rome fell who was it that that preserved its history? The Western Empire was overrun with barbarians similar to what is happening now. And the Eastern Empire remained Cosmopolitan and had a slow death. It was Irish monks and other men who decided to go monk mode that preserved history. These monks were the MGTOW of their time.

Thats great. And its good you refer to that. When Rome fell it was about to fall for almost 3 centuries. Constant civil wars. Constant supply of slaves (men), to Rome. Complete loss of identity, and culture (became an empire of multiple nations, instead of a nation).

By Augustus, Rome as a nation and as a people was over. Then Augustus reformed it and made it an empire, with bachelor laws, and giving citizenship and rights to anyone that follows whatever the law the empire wants, in other words it stopped serving romans, it stopped serving men.

It is commonly accepted that Rome reached its peak as a nation (not an out of control empire) 1 century before Augustus, and from that on it started mutating and declining. And by Augustus it had already a few really bad civil wars, and really important, the Marian reforms, that essentialy privatized the military.

After that is just a ride down. The family and the values of Rome that made men believe and fight for each other and to protect each other rights, and what was the roman culture, was gone.

Romans became very promiscuous. Women no longer respected roman men, but rather anyone that had enough power. So thats the destruction of the family too.

After that men take decades to adapt and cope with the situation. Civil wars happen. And they try to put saviour Emperors in power, similar to the Trump effect. But it all fails. Because men no longer fight for Rome, because Rome is not loyal to any man any longer, but rather becomes an empire that serves itself seeking to enslave and use everyone.

Men stop fighting in the legions, and the dinarii loses its value. Men work less, or sacrifice less, because there is no family, only hedonism and panem et circensis. The military from a privitazed system, becomes a mercenary army hiring whoever wants to fight. I could go on and on, but if you are smart you can connect the pieces.

The question is at what point Rome stopped being Rome. And why would anyone want to preserve it, unless he was brainwashed and cucked with an idealistic idea of what Rome once was (that no longer is, and longer will be).

Why would you want to preserve that Rome. But instead fight for your actual faction and your actual self.

Why Rome lasted so long is the only thing that should bother you. Because it really was a very bad joke for most of its time. It took Europe almost a millenium to forget about the fucking evil roman empire for its debauchery and degeneracy. For millions of souls of free men it devoured, and the whore it was, no different than Babylon.

European countries are all descendent from men who risked their lives to overthrow Rome. And thats what you should be grateful for, and angry that it didnt end way before, and that men put up with it like cucks for so long (thats the only shame).

The barbarians you talk about were free peoples that formed actual strong nations where men had more rights and more morals (because you are never loyal and moral in a bureaucratic empire). Even if they had to burn everything down.

Regarding the eastern empire. It was a different thing.

First it was in a constant struggle for survival, because it somehow still behaved like Rome, and who wants to be a roman when that means being a serf an empire?

Rome as an idea died long before. But they kept insisting stubbornly. When nobody believed in it anymore.

So the Byzantines, adapted to the situation and adopted christianity. And they became an hybrid state. With influence from the east. With the heritage of Rome. With christianity, and trying to assimilate and interact with the medieval kingdoms regarding politics, as if it was one itself.

Essentially all medieval kingdoms didnt see any legitimacy in Eastern Rome. And considered the empire fair game for raids, because the byzantines were very corrupted.

And the Eastern Empire remained Cosmopolitan and had a slow death. It was Irish monks and other men who decided to go monk mode that preserved history. These monks were the MGTOW of their time.

I can see some validity to that. The monks indeed were the scientists and the guys who preserved a lot of knowledge. But the monks are not what we are supposed to be, in that sense. The monks appeared long after the decline of Rome, if you refer to them as the guys that studied old knowledge and tried to preserve it.

A lot of "monks", acted completely opposite to that. Because the church was against a lot of the old knowledge (because a lot of that old knowledge could free men). And the church became the new Rome, the new evil empire.

This is a very complex subject. But in no way were the monks interested in preserving Rome as a entity, nor should we be interested in preserving the west as it is, or even as we idealize it.

History should be written again, that men didn't adapt to these. That again we were not domesticated like cows and sheep. And that we let it burn again. Or who do you think all those provinces breaking apart from the empire represent? It represents men in huge numbers trying to do something, and yes they were Romans, and they believed Rome should end.

Carthage must burn. Carthago Delenda Est.

As conclusion. Barbarians didnt end Rome. Rome end itself. Barbarians just came to form their own states and some of them preserved some Roman laws and costumes.

Christianity didnt end Rome. But it was a coping mechanism for Romans at first (and it changed and was corrupted). A roman and democratized version of Judaism. And yes Islam is the modern paralel to what christianity was in Rome. They are not necessarily paralel to the barbarians of Rome although i understand the tendency for that analogy. The Barbarians would be paralel to an European insurgency against islam and the European Union. But that insurgency would be long after women lose their rights, and would be even more extreme than Islam is. Go read how Ghenghis Khan almost destroyed islam, and every cucked empire in its path, if you want to get the picture.

That happens when you have empires based on serfs and degenerate men against a patriarchal free moving army of free men with selfmotivation, and with a system based on meritocracy, where obviously women have no say.

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European men are no different than herbivore men at this point, they will not fight for the system that is doing this.

To say European men are sterilized tells me you never been to Europe or you never met an european man. An european man that goes to America easily gets all the attention from American women that had fat boyfriends for the most. European men are far healthier and more active, and less consumerist and materialist than the average American man.

From nordic cultures, to the shores of the mediterranean sea, each one of these cultures are unique and a sleeping giant on itself. Whereas America has what? Mcdonnalds. Even if European men are weaker then they were, they certainly are not for their own cause, and anyone who does a little research understands America was and is behind why Europe is not what it is supposed to be.

Saying that European men are sterilized is overlooking, the average American fat man, sedentary, cocacola drinking, shithead, that doesnt even know where Europe is. These European men you call sterilize would get swarmed by your american women who lust after us, because Americans are for the most fat and innactive (guess that makes you more sterile).

Its the same as calling mgtows incels and sterile.

An european man from the east or the west or the south or the north would still by far have more spine than your average american, just because our lifestyle is not poisoned yet with heavy consumerism based on brainwashing and advertisement, and our will is not based on an empty culture, without history and based mostly on materialism. After all your country starts with United States, its not even a country, a tribe, or a specific people, it is an artificial union of states of migrants who long forgot they who they are (Europeans) and where they came from (Europe). Whereas us here, we know exactly who we are and where we came from. And we bloody well wouldnt mind going down the way we use to, and we laugh.

Countries in Europe smaller than half of Florida conquered the world with a handfull of men and barely no tech. We have it in the blood. It would not surprise me if most european men know this and know they must control themselves, or else we do the world again, with little to no resources, just because its what we do. Europe is a sleeping giant. Study european history and even if you are not european you will feel it. Is that what you really want? To awaken Europe up? Because after that there is no going back. There is no way of measuring how far it can go.

I remind you again that all that America has achieved was backed by huge supplies of resources and tech that came from all over the world. Do not ever underestimate Europe, or provoke it, if you dont want to see the world in a mess again.

If we are in a bad situation is certainly not because of our Europeanism. Is because of Americanism. And everyone with two braincells knows that.

So it is not men to blame, and certainly it is not European men to blame.

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I don't consider Europeans herbivore men, but your arguments are without merit as it applies to Americans being spineless and unwilling to fight. In fact, most European governments are uneasy at how willing we are to get into a fight. We are often portrayed as warmongers by Europeans, not spineless cowards unwilling to fight. I'd say neither stereotype is true or helpful.

The Europeans are healthier... but we're still producing plenty of athletes (Olympics, etc) and filling a 2 million man military with most of that active duty (and our reservists train, deploy often, and have to meet the same standards).

You surmise that Europeans have more "spine" but I wouldn't say Europeans as a whole are more masculine or aggressive. During my studies in France, the male French students seemed very timid around the North Africans.

One time a group of us (mostly French), was approached aggressively by a drunk North African in Montpelier. The French guys were very timid. I bitch slapped him and said "je suis un militaire American. c'est pas la premier fois que j'ai tue un Arab" in my shitty American accent. This guy must have been used to French men just being timid cus there were about 10 of us and that's just crazy to approach 10 men to fight by yourself... Idk. He ran off. I still wouldn't stereotype French men as timid, I'm sure there are plenty that can fight. They still fill out a decent military and Gendarmerie. I met plenty of French Muay Thai fighters. The German buddy I had seemed masculine and would fight. the Polish, English, and Eastern Europeans sure seemed willing to fight. The Nordic groups seemed passive, but I didn't really know them. I also seem to recall a recent incident of Americans stopping a gunman on a European train. Also, there are 3 million Americans that have deployed abroad (along with some European partners) over the last 15 years.

As far as not knowing where Europe is, we sure have a lot of lost soldiers then since they're all over Germany, Poland, Belgium, Romania, Bulgaria, and Ukraine. Then we have all the US military contractors doing semi- military work in places all over Europe. They're there to help the Europeans deter Russia since Europe can't (or won't) handle it on its own.

America is not European and many of us don't have European heritage. We fought several times against European powers. Check out the Monroe Doctrine starting in 1823; we don't want European influence in the Americas.

We we're founded on the idea of starting a government different from that of Europe's monarchies. Despite a misguided minority, we are United by our belief in democracy and capitalism, not some misguided belief in ancestry, DNA, or other racist ideas that don't belong anymore. From what I see and hear in Germany and from my time in France... Europe is also a collection of migrants. There is no longer a homogeneous group of citizens there. Makes for a great variety of dining choices. Love the doner kebab and some curry.

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Lmao. American English. English came from Europe. More specifically from German and French. French came from latin.

What value does "European masculinity" has when Europe has almost collectively bowed down to muslim immigrants? American men would certainly be less prone to let muslim immigrants get away with the shit they do in Western Europe.

Americans would buy into anything that is sold to them if you want to generalize. Americans would convert even faster to islam than europeans would. You fought WW2 on for "freedom", when in reality it ended this way. You will buy into anything and you will fall into any trap that is given to you. European men are not bowing down to Islam. They are simply rejecting the present system. That obviously is a cancer that came from America. Yes, feminism, and the women rights, it was you who started it. Why are you even fighting me, a mgtow just like you, to defend a country that doesnt give a fuck about you, never did never will.

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And this is not an American website. This is for all men all over the world that are going mgtow. Or mgtow is only American? Maybe it changed. But 5 years ago was for all men.

And the only reason i said the things i said was because he attacked european men. When we clearly cant do anything because the system in place is supported heavily by america itself. You know very well brexit is a sign of what we want. And Russia is the true supporter of brexit, not america. And america fears the split of Europe, because that will empower russia. European countries will come to terms with Russia. The system that we hate in europe, came with America after ww2. The modern gynocentric culture we have in Europe is the same in America, it came from America, and its different in Russia.

So. I dont hate america. But lets not get emotional, and lets call things by the names. Americans dont have the moral to criticize anyone, because they started the problem and spread it all over the world. So when i see one of these guys talking out of his ass i have to remind him how things really are. Stay mgtow. Long live Europe. A non-American, non-gynocentric, non-consumeristic, non-materialistic, free and patriarchal Europe.

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Thats one interpretation. The other is, they become muslims themselves, women lose their rights, and that way Europe preserves everything including its race, if thats what bothers you. America will not become muslim, but will be completely and systematically replaced by whoever drops in there. Or end like venezuela in isolation and eating itself or balkanize. Because not you, and not the Europeans have the guts to take women rights away.

Europe converted to christianity before. And before that Europe fall to the eastern sun worshipping culture of the Romans. It adapted to it, and rise 10 times stronger after. Give Europeans gunpowder and we will make canons. Give Europeans Christianity and we will give it steroids and the world becames christian. If you give Islam to Europe, the world will be under us with Europeanized version of islam, and we will change the quran itself to suit our goals, make no mistake. It gives me chills to say this, because it can very well happen, and its not a good vision.

Its easy how you are keen to fight other men and criticize European men. When you in America are not doing and will not do anything about it. And yes gynocentrism came from American culture, everyone knows that, and it will always be that way.

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They won't become Muslims, though. The Koran tells muslims to kill all non muslim men. When they take over, they kill the men, and take the women as rape slaves. Your country gets "-istan" added to the end, and becomes a 3rd world shithole just like the middle east.

Europe cannot preserve its culture, race, or creeds. Europe is falling. Europe tried to conquer the middle east and now the muslims are trying to get revenge. It's up to Europe if they want to resist, but for some countries its already too late. For example, the guardian reports that Germans will be a minority in Germany by 2030.

The muslims will take womens rights away. But they will kill all the men first, and the country will become a shithole.

There is nothing America can do to save Europe, so criticizing us for doing nothing is pointless. It's your battle. Either you fight, you flee, or you die. The choice is yours. If the people of Europe fight, they can easily defeat the savages. The problem is, you need to start the fight before you become outnumbered.

I'd rather live a comfortable MGTOW life in a first world country than get killed by islamists. I can deal with a gynocentric society by going MGTOW, and that's what I've done. Feminists can do whatever they want, and as long as I don't participate with women my life is comfortable and fine. Part of the MGTOW philosophy is realizing we can't do anything to stop feminism. If you want to fight feminism, join an MRA forum. I say there's no point engaging in a fight you cant win

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They won't become Muslims, though. The Koran tells muslims to kill all non muslim men.

No. The quran tells muslims to first convert all non-muslim men. And if they refuse they have to pay a tax. And if they refuse to pay the tax, then it means they must fight. So there is a big difference. And right now if i was you i would be more humble, and think before i speak again, so not to embarass yourself.

So no. Most countries where islam got into, the men are still the native men. You still have kurds, persians, greeks, morrocans. The men are not killed. Obviously if it was that way islam would not spread through half the world in one decade. Its because men adopted it as the ideal system at the time. Lets not become emotional, lets see the reality for what it is.

Europe cannot preserve its culture, race, or creeds. Europe is falling. Europe tried to conquer the middle east and now the muslims are trying to get revenge.

No. Europe was always on the defensive against islam. Europe didnt try to conquer the middle east. Even when Europeans colonized it, it was always a mess, and a vietname wherever there was islam. The crusades were a desperate attempt to counter the advance of the turks.

Muslims are not doing it by revenge, dont be emotional. Islam patience is eternal. They dont care if it is now or in one century, they know they will succeed because your society is gynocentric.

They dont do it emotionally, or out of revenge. You are projecting your own culture on them. They do it because its their religion to spread it systematically.

If you want to defeat them, my brother "mgtow", first you need to understand them. Otherwise keep your finger on the trigger, and the atrition will get the best of you. Thats how islam wins. Keep your finger on the trigger, you will one day be overcomed if you refuse to know your enemy.

We Europeans know very well the enemy we fight. The countries that pushed back islam in the south, were successful BECAUSE ----> they adopted muslim tactics, muslim tech, and the same modus operandi. In other words they became more muslims than the muslims themselves. And thats why muslims feared the crusaders, because the crusaders were exactly like muslims but with the cognitive dissonance, of not being muslims lol.

For example, the guardian reports that Germans will be a minority in Germany by 2030.

Thats propaganda. Thats what they want. What will happen is that the Germans will mix with whoever comes to their country like they have been doing since the Americans came to "liberate" them. And like americans have been doing themselves for 2 or 3 centuries. So please, look yourself in the mirror.

The muslims will take womens rights away. But they will kill all the men first, and the country will become a shithole.

They will not. Look at white countries that are muslim. Look at bosnia. Look at half of Anatolia (descendants of Greeks). Look at Iran (half of them are white caucasian identifying as Aryan), Iran is called after land of the Aryans. Islam wherever it went it did not kill all men. There is clear evidence that its pretty much the contrary, that a practice of other ideologies. Islam wants to convert. Look at Chechenya, all ginger muslims. Look Russia, 20% muslim, all of them white.

I wonder why you dont talk about Russia. Because Russia has no gun rights, and is by far the country with the biggest muslim majority...

Europe cannot preserve its culture, race, or creeds. Europe is falling.

I know this is your dream. Because somehow i can see you have some irrational hate towards Europeans, rather than your actual enemies and the real problem, gynocentrism. You just want to point fingers and blame whatever for your problems, because its easier, and thats what you are supposed to be, fighting other men, like a whipped soldier.

There is nothing America can do to save Europe, so criticizing us for doing nothing is pointless. It's your battle. Either you fight, you flee, or you die.

We dont care. Just like mgtows, mgtows dont care. Im not going to fight for anything that does not benefit me. Im not a tradcuck. Im not the whiteknight of Europe. It can all burn for all i care. So dont project it. You have enough problems in America, and you wont even have islam to take womens rights away therefore saving you from becoming a venezuela. And you have guns, you gonna be shooting each other like no tomorrow.

So look at yourself first. And remember, modern gynocentrism is aberration to Europe forced upon Europeans by America after world war 2. You did a lot to spread it all around the world.

Its failing and it will fail. With islam or no islam. Or with simply men becoming passive aggressive like mgtow, gynocentrism, coca cola culture and soy will fall. Hopefully when you get your hands out of Europe, and Russia comes, thats when it will be over. Then America and gynocentrism will be gone forever. And muzzies dont mess with Russia, but they do like to mess with gynocentric America. The only reason we are in this mess is because we sided with you until now, instead of Russia. Dont forget that can change very quickly, and you will be in trouble if you have Russia united with Europe.

I'd rather live a comfortable MGTOW life in a first world country than get killed by islamists.

Except your comfort is not sustainable and needs migrants, and has the tendency to end like venezuela.

If you want to fight feminism, join an MRA forum. I say there's no point engaging in a fight you cant win

Exactly. So why is all this bullshit about. Trying to shame other men to fight a battle that is not theirs. "Ohh go fight the muzzies". Damn. Go fight your own bullshit country that started all this laisse faire culture. And lets not forget your country is allied with the biggest supporter of wahabism and islamic imperialism in the world, Saudi Arabia. You are either ignorant or you are being an hypocrit.

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I can deal with a gynocentric society by going MGTOW, and that's what I've done. Feminists can do whatever they want, and as long as I don't participate with women my life is comfortable and fine.

So basically you are saying its NOT fine for you that european men are not fighting those bad muzzies. But you are happy getting cucked by your system, that you dont even dare to analyze.

You dont mind as long as they give you shit, you live like a good domesticated animal. And you dont realize that islam is actually totally against that thing you just said. In fact islam would fight that. So basically you are more gynocentric and a total cuck compared to a muslim that would never stand your sedentary and complacent situation, and thats why you are afraid of them. You know they pose a threat to your cuck lifestyle, that big daddy government provides you, to keep you happy, while dominating you in reality.

But the problem are the muzzies and the Europeans that dont fight them. You are a fool and an ignorant, and you are whipped beyond belief and you dont realize it and you cope with mgtow. You are not a mgtow you are just an angry man coping, and the blaming and shaming exposes you. And everyone reading this will know that.

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If you're young enough to be on reddit, then you'll most likely be here when they take over the US. Its already started.

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Talk by yourself. It totally depends on the culture and especially the religion of the migrants. If i go to Japan, i dont want to turn it into Europe. If i go to Russia i want to see Russia. It is totally specific, the reason why immigrants dont adapt, because nobody in his right mind would adapt to a culture that is ambiguous, relativist and wants to forcefully integrate you just to make you one more cuck in a feminist society.

You are again putting your balls before your brain. You want to fight the muslims while the feminists still whip you behind the scenes, making you no more than a useful idiot.

To ask a muslim to adapt to your feminist countries. Is the same to demand a lion to now become an herbivore, just because the country where he is, all lions became herbivores.

Having said this, there wouldn't even be migrants in the west if the west didnt fall for feminism. Because feminism needs migrants. Because the economy behind this system needs male disposability, and lots of bread and circus.

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This was my redpill moment..and something everyone of you should do.

Sit down..think how old you are. How long have you been chasing pussy?

Clearly that didnt work because here you are single..so am i.

How much money have you spent over your life dating, jewelry, pictures, vacations, photographers, child support, chocolates, etc.. on a woman. Now imagine you had all of that money back today..how much would it be?

For me...its hundreds of thousands of dollars...it blew my mind when I sat down and really thought about it.

After a lifetime of chasing women, being married, divorce raped, being child support raped for the next decade..

If I could go back in time and tell myself...dude it isnt worth it..I could be retired on some tropical island with my dick inside some 24 year old thot (vasectomy brothers..get one).

Dont waste your life or money like I did. Trust me when I say..their used up vaginas are not worth it.

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They do, but much less likely to go deep into debt to keep up with the Jones'. A guy who is buying a house for himself isn't likely to get a 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a large backyard for the kids because he doesn't need it. Likewise with vacations - women normally have to go somewhere stylish and take hundreds of snaps for social media that prove what amazing lives they lead. A guy on his own (or with mates) might take a motorcycle tour around the country instead.

Agree on the cars, though. The family cars stay on the lot, but judging by a few of the posts in this sub, some of the luxury / sports car dealers get themselves another sale.

I guess the point that's really being made is that the people who rely on the family unit making and breaking up to make money are the ones who will suffer if men walk away.

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Wait, you're going to Florida in May? Are you insane? Single male here and I just spent 2 months in Florida. By early April it was already getting unbearably hot and humid. Side note, I own 2 houses and live in neither one, couldn't do this if I were still living with my ex! She would've spend thousands on a 1 week vacation. I spend more like $800-$1000 to go someplace for a month.

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I use AirBnB. A lot of places offer discounts for a full month stay, and if you book "last minute" (maybe 2-3 weeks out), and you know they literally have nobody booked for the entire month, then you've got some leverage to negotiate an even lower rate.

Florida was tricky, it was my first time doing a shared house with a private room. During peak season, you're not going to get your own place in the vicinity of West Palm for less than $2k/mo, but I managed to do it for $800/mo by staying with someone. We actually wound up becoming good friends, too. Initially I left my laptop in the room with the webcam acting as a motion sensing security camera, just to make sure she wasn't going to steal my shit. After the first month, I stopped bothering to arm the motion sensor, since she seemed to respect my space.

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Yeah. I don't move often but I stay for a while when I do. So last summer I spent 4 months hiking and biking up north, staying in Vermont with trips to New York, New Hampshire and Montreal and a cruise to the Bahamas. The last 3 months of the year I spent in CT to be close to work for the busy season. Then January in Bermuda, a road trip down the east coast in early February, and the remainder of February, March and early April in South Florida. With winter over, I'm back in CT to attend to my rental properties and trying to buy a new one (or two). I'm still fairly new at that whole thing. In a week I board a cruise ship to Europe, 10 nights at sea and 5 in London.

I spend my 'vacation days' on stuff like the road trip and the cruise, just because it's not feasible to work remotely during those.

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Embrace a minalmost lifestyle...rent used cars old clothes etc. You will be surprised how much you can save.

I pay my ex 1500 a month in CS..and I've still set a goal to save 10k in 1 year...20k the year after (total 30k) and 100k in 10 years.

Sounds crazy right? To me too. But after 1 month I'm already 1k into savings...

Stop eating out. Meal prep men. 10.00 every meal x 5 days week adds up.

Start cooking for yourself. Really look at what you spending.. set a goal for yourself...make it attainable..

Save 150.00 from each paycheck..that's almost 5k right there...money you dont spend buying clothes to date women is money you can pay off your car faster...pay off the car..put that money in savings..now you saving 500 a month...

In a few years you have 10s of thousands just sitting therr... shit gets easier then.

Keep in mind ik doing all of that while be fucked by family courts and child support. You men can retire at 40 if you save...DO IT.

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I’ve seen that same comment and screenshooted it, its amazingly true man...

Till this day I have that screenshoot saved because of how deep it is.

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becomes minimalist

Naw, I make a good six figures and I can't take it with me. To me, one of the best parts of being MGTOW is not needing "permission" to spend my own money.

I wake up on a Saturday morning and for some reason feel like trying kayaking, I go buy a kayak.

I notice that my fishing reel is getting crunchy/squeaky and annoying, I go buy a new one (after taking the old one apart and trying to fix it. I am an engineer after all).

I feel like having a few beers and playing vidya after my day on the lake, I stop at the store and buy my goddamn beer and the latest game.

For me, the biggest red-pill was seeing my married friends be told "no" over and over and over when they want to spend a little money on themselves. Meanwhile their wives have new shoes, new purses, new dresses, new jewelry, and new phones every week. And these bitches don't even work, but they have the gall to tell my bro "no,you can't have a kayak so you can go fishing with your friend. ALL that money YOU earned is MINE."

And fuck this attitude of "stop spending money. Corporations are evil!!!"

Look, I'm not trying to save the world, I'm just trying to enjoy this one life I have to live while the fuckin' world collapses around me.

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Title	When a man goes MGTOW....
Author	ConstantChinner
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Comments	176
Date	April 19, 2019 8:48 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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