Yet another mgtow/awalt tale

BrunoOh · 2016-02-23T07:04:18+00:00

Theres actually a book (forgot what its called) thats supposedly popular with women that teaches them to be super feminine, supportive, have lots of sex with you, cook for you, do everything you want, basically be the perfect girl. Then once the dude marries you do a 180 and turn into a total fat slob, never provide sex, and talk shit all the time because you got the alimony if he doesn't like it.

I also rejected a girl who was "perfect" and shamed me into trying to get married. Keep GYOW brother.

RecQuery · 2016-02-23T11:27:53+00:00

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csehszlovakze · 2016-02-23T07:16:34+00:00

"show me a NAWALT and I'll prove you wrong"

female unicorn = acting = red flag

NAmember81 · 2016-02-23T08:12:58+00:00

She probably didn't even want to get married or have kids, she wanted you to THINK she wanted to get married and have kids.

Being 34 I've had a lot of girls pull this shit just to kick up the notch on the soap opera style drama. Once you buy into their BS is when the mind games reach an all new level in hopes of eliciting jealousy and drama to liven up her day.

BleauGumms · 2016-02-23T13:48:40+00:00

If she let you do whatever you wanted in bed then imagine how many other guys she let do the same in order to close the deal.

I spy a sloot. Definite non-marriage material (if you're into that thing)

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2016-02-23T14:09:25+00:00

Moral of the story... ----AWALT---- !!! They WILL say whatever you want to hear to get on your good side, treat you like a king, they WILL do whatever makes you happy (but only at first... hook line and sinker and all that jazz), cater to all your needs, pretend to be interested in the same things as you, etc. Then, like a seasoned salesman, when they feel the time is right, they will give the big pitch for kids, marriage, and everything in between.

Indeed... if she dates YOU in January, then -- like you -- she will claim to be, even from all outward appearances possibly even convincingly & sincerely BE a... Libertarian, Capitalist, lover of new Technology, disgusted with the "welfare system", etc. etc.

But if/when her "focus" changes to some other guy -- and for whatever reason, maybe because you broke up, maybe you're just out of town for a couple of weeks of work during February -- then when you meet up with her again in March, she will have suddenly and inexplicably have changed: now she'll be a Socialist, Anti-capitalist, neo-Luddite, proponent of 'basic income' and enhanced increase welfare, etc. etc.

Then you find out why... she's hooked up with some Che Guevara wannabe.

Run into her 6 months later, and... well she'll have transformed her views yet again; now she'll be some "upright" Jehovah's Witness, or some vegan/transcendental-meditation Hare Krishna, or these days, possibly even have donned a frigging Hijab and claim to have converted to Islam. Why? Well...

The thing is, with MOST women, this really isn't as malicious much less as "devious" as it seems -- nor is it anything "new" -- and the same with the seeming "sudden switch" to talk of marriage/house/kids... here's a snippet from an advice letter (usually referred to as Letter #43, written in March of 1941) by JRR Tolkien (yes THAT guy) to his son Michael about women and their "interests" and viewpoints:

[...]

The sexual impulse makes women (naturally when unspoiled more unselfish) very sympathetic and understanding, or specially desirous of being so (or seeming so), and very ready to enter into all the interests, as far as they can, from ties to religion, of the young man they are attracted to. No intent necessarily to deceive: sheer instinct: the servient, helpmeet instinct, generously warmed by desire and young blood. Under this impulse they can in fact often achieve very remarkable insight and understanding, even of things otherwise outside their natural range: for it is their gift to be receptive, stimulated, fertilized (in many other matters than the physical) by the male. Every teacher knows that. How quickly an intelligent woman can be taught, [seem to] grasp his ideas, see his point – and how (with rare exceptions) they can go no further, when they leave his hand, or when they cease to take a personal interest in him. But this is their natural avenue to love. Before the young woman knows where she is (and while the romantic young man, when he exists, is still sighing) she may actually 'fall in love'. Which for her, an unspoiled natural young woman, means that she wants to become the mother of the young man's children, even if that desire is by no means clear to her or explicit. And then things are going to happen: and they may be very painful and harmful, if things go wrong. Particularly if the young man only wanted a temporary guiding star and divinity (until he hitches his waggon to a brighter one), and was merely enjoying the flattery of sympathy nicely seasoned with a titillation of sex – all quite innocent, of course, and worlds away from 'seduction'.

You may meet in life (as in literature1) women who are flighty, or even plain wanton — I don't refer to mere flirtatiousness, the sparring practice for the real combat, but to women who are too silly to take even love seriously, or are actually so depraved as to enjoy 'conquests', or even enjoy the giving of pain – but these are abnormalities, even though false teaching, bad upbringing, and corrupt fashions may encourage them. Much though modern conditions have changed feminine circumstances, and the detail of what is considered propriety, they have not changed natural instinct. A man has a life-work, a career, (and male friends), all of which could (and do where he has any guts) survive the shipwreck of 'love'. A young woman, even one 'economically independent', as they say now (it usually really means economic subservience to male commercial employers instead of to a father or a family), begins to think of the 'bottom drawer' and dream of a home, almost at once. If she really falls in love, the shipwreck may really end on the rocks. Anyway women are in general much less romantic and more practical. Don't be misled by the fact that they are more 'sentimental' in words – freer with 'darling', and all that. They do not want a guiding star. They may idealize a plain young man into a hero; but they don't really need any such glamour either to fall in love or to remain in it. If they have any delusion it is that they can 'reform' men. They will take a rotter open-eyed, and even when the delusion of reforming him fails, go on loving him. They are, of course, much more realistic about the sexual relation. Unless perverted by bad contemporary fashions they do not as a rule talk 'bawdy'; not because they are purer than men (they are not) but because they don't find it funny. I have known those who pretended to, but it is a pretence. It may be intriguing, interesting, absorbing (even a great deal too absorbing) to them: but it is just plumb natural, a serious, obvious interest; where is the joke?

[...]

There is much, MUCH more in that letter -- but I think you get the point -- "red pill" knowledge of women's inherent nature isn't some "new" (keep in mind that Tolkien was born in 1892) discovery, nor are those "feminine wiles" something entirely new either (they're just more "supported" by the system, and no longer restrained by convention or social mores)

bonusfruit · 2016-02-23T14:11:50+00:00

Keep any and all digital interactions with you in case she later decides all that great sex is suddenly rape

Trekbiker · 2016-02-23T18:47:44+00:00

couple of months? she must have been hot. I've managed to hem and haw for as long as a year before they would flip the switch and realize they were wasting their precious time with me. But most less than 3-6 months before they would move on to the next prospect (mark). A couple even broke down crying, super pissed that they "wasted so much time" on me. No woman could ever "close the deal" so to speak. I never mistreated a woman (other than being "emotionally unavailable" and stingy with MY TIME).

Was I being dishonest? was I using them for sex? don't know and don't care

Nezzajj · 2016-02-23T12:10:30+00:00

I don't see a problem here. She doesn't want what you want and obviously was hurt by it so she reacted, albeit childishly.

BradLightningRooster · 2016-02-23T12:21:45+00:00

Up until she freaked out on you and did a 180 after you explained the deal it sounds like you had one of the rare decent women. They do exist, I have met a couple of them.

Maybe I'm still plugged in to a degree, but I don't think k that it's an act when a woman is like that. They know what they must do to keep you. The problem comes from the one sided nature of Marriage 2.0 and that by putting a ring on it you have lost virtually all of your leverage. She no longer needs to keep you because she has you by the coin purse and thus acts accordingly given the new realities of the relationship.

I keep a girl around who knows that marriage and kids are off the table. I had offered marriage at one point, back in bluer pulled days, but she didn't take any initiative to plan it. I had time to wise up, took the redpill, and I flat out told her that she had her chance and lost it. She said OK and that she still wants to be with me.

After her reality changed so too did her behavior. She is much more agreeable now, she knows that I'm the pack leader and that if she doesn't want to follow she can leave. She'll come over now and clean my place, do dishes, cook me dinner, etc. Classic wifely duties and she'll never get the title.

gundahir · 2016-02-23T17:26:54+00:00

You did the right thing, exactly right. Hit the truth in her face and hit it hard. She should actually thank you. You could have put some acting skills to work and squeezed a few more months of sex out of her before she eventually realizes that it aint gonna happen. Well done, man.

2016-02-23T17:27:08+00:00

I got a girl pregnant, and she flipped the switch from sweetheart to witch quite literally overnight. She was going to take me for all I was worth in family court, and made sure I knew she was going to ruin me.

then she had an abortion or miscarried, I am not sure, but same result. Thank god.

OutWithTheNew · 2016-02-23T22:36:37+00:00

It's funny how quickly we become wrong when we make a decision about our reproductive rights. I've known since I was in my early 20's that my own kids just weren't in my future, by choice. It has actually ended relationships, not in spectacular fashion and not that they would admit to. But when the big picture conversations start and you let them know that you don't view legal marriage as some great temple and you don't want kids, it usually goes downhill.

Raiden627 · 2016-02-23T22:51:48+00:00

I had an ex who said I wasn't a real man because I wouldn't spend half my day cleaning her driveway and her house on my weekends off that I would used to study. Reading your story, and seeing the parallels, women in general are just off their rockers. They're so entitled and believe they own you it's not even funny.

Title	Yet another mgtow/awalt tale
Author	vigz21
Upvotes	31
Comments	29
Date	February 23, 2016 6:35 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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