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Stoic practice as a toolbox for mental health

August 3, 2021
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Stoicism is often misunderstood in modern pop-culture. But in fact it is an ancient philosophy that can be really helpful to people. It is not about suppressing emotions, as is often thought, but rather about being in control of your emotions. Some of its guiding principles are rather neatly expressed in the so-called Serenity Prayer, which you may know:

Give me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The Courage to change the things I can,
And the Wisdom to know the difference.

Now I am no longer religious, but there is a lot of wisdom in these lines. I just replace "give me" with "I need..." since there isn't anyone who can give me these. I need to learn how to acquire these skills and virtues myself.

I personally have found it very beneficial to recognize the things I cannot change as such, and learn to accept them and to stop being upset about them. If there's nothing I can do to change them, then it is a waste of energy to try or to be in emotional turmoil. Stoicism in the face of adversity means accepting my fate, once I realize I can't change it.

Of course if there are things I can change, I should apply myself to changing them for the better. This often isn't easy, so it does indeed require courage. But starting with small steps, this is definitely something we can learn.

The key is in the wisdom to know the difference. So from time to time I reflect on things that have happened and try to dispassionately analyze how I handled them. Were there things I could and should have changed but did not? Were there things I could not change but wasted undue emotional energy on? What attitude should I have if something like this happens again?

This article explains more and offers a set of Stoic practices that I hope you will find helpful.

Now having said all this, I do not consider myself a Stoic, tho I am subscribed to the subreddit. I just take the ideas and practices that work for me. I am more of an Epicurean, tho that is a topic for a different post.

Do you think this philosophy and these practices are helpful? What are your experiences?

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[–]BonsaiSoul 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To me, whether it's the "true" meaning of stoicism or not, the word represents to me all of the people out there who think mental illness isn't real and people just need to take responsibility. Who automatically assume people with problems just haven't tried to do anything to fix them, and offer such nuanced advice to them as "touch grass." Libertarians going "actually socioeconomic struggles don't matter because those people are choosing to feel bad about their situation." The people who go around calling anybody who wants better for themselves "entitled", whether what they want is realistic or reasonable or not. The Eternal Boomer who worships an Emperor who said actually slavery wasn't that bad.

The consistently terrible takes I hear from people flogging stoicism have put me off it forever. Whatever encouraged their worldview can't be any good. That brand of "stoicism" is one of the hostile yokes forced onto men that actively harms our mental health.

[–]dudeness-aberdeen 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The Happiness Lab podcast did an episode on Stoicism and the ancient stoic philosophers. It resonated so much with me as a way of thinking.

[–]a-man-from-earth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know this one. I should track it down!

[–]cheerfulcat21 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Whats the exact name?

[–]a-man-from-earth[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]cheerfulcat21 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow you respond quick thx

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel like Stoic philosophy is a little bit like Epicurean hedonistic philosophy, in that both of them are popularly misunderstood.

The former, Stoic philosophy, is often interpreted as telling its proponents, especially its men proponents, to have a stiff upper lip, be gutsy, and suck up all residues of 'feminine' emotion; meanwhile, Epicurean hedonism, like a lot of hedonism, is often pigeonholed as being this irrational philosophy, telling the individual to maximise their own personal happiness ignorantly and in an unseeing fashion, which I don't accept.

I think your interpretation of Stoicism, OP, is quite on point, and I think it be applied to all people's lives, especially men's, as men are told to suppress 'feminine' emotion in most circumstances accept very particular ones, as 'real men' don't cry, apparently. It's not about seeking to make cucks out of men or to feminise men or make men into eunuchs by castrating them; these are all erroneous interpretations.

Though I speak of both Stoicism and Epicurean hedonism, I was not saying that they are or are joy otherwise alike or aligned.

[–]a-man-from-earth[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I feel like Stoic philosophy is a little bit like Epicurean hedonistic philosophy, in that both of them are popularly misunderstood.

Very much so. And as I alluded to in the post, I am planning on writing about Epicurean philosophy as well.

I think your interpretation of Stoicism, OP, is quite on point

Thanks! I found both the philosophy and the subreddit of that name to be helpful. And there is in fact a lot of overlap between Stoicism and Epicurean philosophy. But I guess I'm quite modern in that I pick and choose what I find useful.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And as I alluded to in the post, I am planning on writing about Epicurean philosophy as well.

Well, I shall very much be looking out for this post you do Epicurean philosophy, as I'd love to read it. Do you think you shall post it to this sub or an Epicurean sub?

I found both the philosophy and the subreddit of that name to be helpful. And there is in fact a lot of overlap between Stoicism and Epicurean philosophy. But I guess I'm quite modern in that I pick and choose what I find useful.

You know, because I was inspired by this post, I decided to look up even more of Stoicism and masculinity, and so damn many of the articles, which I can link if you like, were purporting that modern feminisms (yes, I mean feminisms, not feminism, so it is not a typo) are seeking to dismantle masculinity and manhood altogether, believing that humankind shall benefit from the expunging of men and boys, masculinity, and boyhood and manhood, or something, too, which I find a completely inane and absurd claim, as while I am not the spokesperson for any feminisms, I shall say I do subscribe to different feminisms and accept their premises, because of my identifying as a feminist, but none of them involve any kind of misandry, which is just as immoral as misogyny, misogynoir, transmisogyny, and other kinds of hatred and prejudice related to one's sex, sex traits, gender roles, gender identity, or gender modality.

I just get exhausted by these baseless claims.

[–]a-man-from-earth[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think you shall post it to this sub or an Epicurean sub?

I was thinking this one, but I can do both.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I'd very much appreciate it if you posted it here, and, to be honest, I think a lot of other users on here would, too.

[–]Algoresball 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a lot of wisdom in the stoics but I think Ryan Holiday’s bad takes are problematic

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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