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2017 AAP Convention Circumcision Protests

duckordian

September 19, 2017

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Title	2017 AAP Convention Circumcision Protests
Author	duckordian
Upvotes	189
Comments	29
Date	September 19, 2017 8:42 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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(I'm assuming your child is male in the following advice, because very few doctors in the world would perform female circumcision, and you more than likely would never even consider it a possibility)

Routine infant circumcision is (in the west) only practised in the United States, and is incredibly uncommon in the rest of the world. That should indicate just how minor any benefits really are. Yes, there is lower chance of infection or cancer, but that's just a function of reducing the amount of body tissue there is to get cancerous or infected. A much much better option is to get him the HPV vaccine when he is old enough, and teach him to how to use condoms effectively.

The biggest issue is that as with any surgery circumcision includes a risk of complications. Now, the majority of these surgeries go fine, but some of the failures are horrific. Skin bridges that prevent normal function and make the penis harder to clean, scarring that deforms the penis shape, and sometimes the damage is so severe a complete penectomy must be performed.

Now, it is ultimately your decision as parents which medical treatments your children should get. As long as the circumcision goes well and there are no complications your son will not be deformed, or unable to enjoy sex. But they won't really gain anything from being cut. And they may grow to resent you for impinging on their bodily autonomy and forcing on them a surgery that doesn't have major benefits.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now, the majority of these surgeries go fine... As long as the circumcision goes well and there are no complications your son will not be deformed, or unable to enjoy sex...

er... nope:

Functions of the Foreskin

A list sourced from medical publications.

Referenced links here

What does the male foreskin do? Foreskin...

Protects the infant from contaminants, infection, and meatal stenosis.

The foreskin is fused to the head of the penis in infancy[1], providing protection. The preputial sphincter at the tip specifically serves as a simple barrier that keeps out environmental contamination. It is not designed to be pulled back in infancy or childhood. Meatal stenosis (narrowing or closing of the urethral hole) occurs in approximately 10% of circumcised boys[2] and sometimes requires painful corrective surgery.

Protects the adult glans from chafing and loss of feeling.

When the mucosa of the glans are exposed to chafing, the glans protects itself by keratinizing[3] (similar to a callous). Foreskin keeps the glans internal, as it is supposed to be. The more the glans keratinizes, the less it can feel.[4]

Stores and releases natural lubricants.

With natural lubricant,[5] men with foreskin generally do not need lotion or lubricant for sexual activity. Women benefit from the lower risk of friction and dryness that a man's foreskin provides. It also serves to seal in the female sexual partner’s lubrication, preventing it from losing its effectiveness.[6]

Feels good for its owner with specialized pleasure nerves.

The foreskin is densely innervated with multiple types of nerves.[7] These nerves respond to stretch, fine touch detail, temperature, and more. Foreskin feels really good.

Delivers pleasure to the male's partner.

The presence of the male foreskin is inherently pleasurable in intercourse. In particular, it stimulates the female clitoris in certain sexual positions.

Rolls/glides rather than rubs. This helps prevent friction and dryness, eases penetration, and provides pleasure.

The mechanics of sexual activity are changed dramatically with circumcision, from rolling to rubbing. Circumcised males "tend to thrust harder and deeper, using elongated strokes," but intact males tend "to thrust more gently, to have shorter strokes, and tended to be in contact with the mons pubis and clitoris more."[6] Also, the sliding/gliding motion of the foreskin over the glans and corona is deeply pleasurable for the male and makes initial insertion of the penis easier and more comfortable for both partners.

Keeps the head of the penis warm, moist, and comfortable.

Like the eyeball, inside of the cheek, and vagina, the glans is designed to be a protected internal organ.[3]

Provides sensory feedback, giving the man greater control of the sexual experience.

The structures of the foreskin provide full, natural levels of neurological feedback, which allow robust control over erection, arousal, and orgasm.

Facilitates erection and ejaculation when wanted.

The foreskin contains the most pleasurable parts of the penis. This complete sensation, elimination of friction and pain, and other functions reduce the risk of erectile and ejaculatory problems.[8]

Helps prevent erection and ejaculation when unwanted.

The foreskin protects the glans from being aroused at inappropriate times, reducing involuntary erections. Feedback helps prevent premature ejaculation.

Maximizes penile length and thickness.

It's common sense: if you cut part of something off, you make it smaller. This has been observed by professional journals, including one which found that the penises of circumcised males were an average of almost 1 centimeter shorter.[9]

Feels details as well as the fingertips can.

The specialized nerves don't just feel good - they feel well.[7]

Increases sexual arousal.

Apocrine glands in the foreskin[10] may release pheromones, signal chemicals that help encourage sexual arousal in the man's partner. The foreskin also prevents discoloration of the red/purple/pink head of the penis, preserving the sexual signal conveyed by this natural coloration.

Defends against harmful germs.

Specialized cells provide defense against unhealthy microbes.[10] As long as the man washes occasionally with water, not soap, the microbial balance of the area remains healthy and infections are prevented.

Prevents painful erections.

An intact man is safe from "not enough skin" erection problems.[11] The foreskin is a part of a whole penile skin system – it expands and moves along with erection. In addition, the frenar band massages the glans during sliding/gliding, regulating blood flow and preventing the erection from becoming "too hard," which can happen with some men.

Prevents pain after orgasm.

Without correct protection and mechanical function, some men experience a burning or other pain after ejaculation.[12]

The foreskin has various other sexual, cosmetic, neurological, and other functions. For example, it provides protection from cold, burns, and trauma, and it contains a rich network of blood vessels to support good penile function.

The foreskin is supposed to be there, for many reasons.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ultimately your decision as parents which medical treatments your children should get...

Sure, LOL: 😜

Male circumcision causes terrible damage to the male penis, and psychological problems that can last a lifetime.

In western Europe there is now a growing movement to outlaw it as genital mutilation, on a par with FGM.

Note: The vast majority of these links from reputable scientific journals, with peer-reviewed research.

1: Women prefer intact penises. And elsewhere you can find men do as well!

Source: http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/60750.html

http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/ohara/

2: Masturbation feels better.

Source: http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

3: Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x/epdf

http://www.livescience.com/1624-study-circumcision-removes-sensitive-parts.html

4: Despite the reduced sensitivity, there is no change to lasting longer during sex.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2005.00070.x/abstract;jsessionid=E233A9E106A9 A6D724B4E3606446784E.d03t01

5: Cut men have a more difficult time fapping.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2005.00070.x/abstract;jsessionid=E233A9E106A9

Which was the reason it was promoted in the USA in the first place.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/health/27-03-2006/77873-circumcision-0/

6: Circumcision increases risk of erectile dysfunctions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14979200&dopt= Abstract|

7: If too much skin is removed in circumcision, it can make the penis smaller since the dong needs some skin to expand during an erection:

http://www.altermd.com/Penis%20and%20Scrotal%20Surgery/buried_penis.htm

http://www.drgreene.com/azguide/inconspicuous-penis

8: Circumcision does not lower the risk of AIDS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22096758/

9: Circumcision is more hygienic. Who the heck doesn't clean their penis? It's a three second job you do when you shower so this is not a valid argument. Women produce 10 times as much smegma as men - so it's OK to amputate an infant girls' labia lips so she doesn't have to wash them??

10: Circumcised foreskin sold to cosmetic manufacturers for profit:

http://voices.yahoo.com/human-foreskins-big-business-cosmetics-201840.html

11: Erectile dysfunction 4.5 times more likely to occur if you're circumcised

http://www.thewholenetwork.org/14/post/2011/08/does-circumcision-cause-erectile-dysfunction.html etc

12: Stanford's school of medicine list of circumcision complications (including infection, haemorraging, skin-bridging, phimosis, amputation and death):

http://newborns.stanford.edu/CircComplications.html

13: Cut infants get long-term changes in pain response from the trauma of being circumcised

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731

14: Circumcision decreases penile sensitivity

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102?dopt=Abstract

15: Circumcision associated with sexual difficulties

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

16: Circumcision linked to alexithymia

http://www.mensstudies.com/content/2772r13175400432/?p=a7068101fbdd48819f10dd04dc1e19fb&pi=4

17: The exaggeration of the benefits of circumcision in regards to HIV/AIDS transmission

http://jme.bmj.com/content/36/12/798.abstract

18: Circumcision/HIV claims are based on insufficient evidence

http://www.4eric.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MC.pdf

19: There is no case for the widespread implementation of circumcision as a preventative measure to stop transmission of AIDS/HIV

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-6405.2011.00761.x/full

20: Circumcision decreases sexual pleasure

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977

21: Circumcision decreases efficiency of nerve response in the glans of the penis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

22: Circumcision policy is influenced by psychosocial factors rather than alleged health benefits

http://www.circumcision.org/policy.htm

23: Circumcision linked to pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

24: Circumcision results in significant loss of erogenous tissue

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8800902

25: Circumcision has negligible benefit

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9091693

26: Neonatal circumcision linked to pain and trauma

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731

27: Circumcision may lead to need for increased care and medical attention in the first 3 years of life

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9393302

28: Circumcision linked to psychological trauma

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

29: Circumcision may lead to abnormal brain development and subsequent deviations in behaviour

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10657682

30: CONCLUSIONS: This study confirms the importance of the foreskin for penile sensitivity, overall sexual satisfaction, and penile functioning: Furthermore, this study shows that a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102?dopt=Abstract

31: CONCLUSIONS: Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

32: CONCLUSION: There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977

33: CONCLUSIONS: The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

34: CONCLUSIONS: Our study provides population-based epidemiological evidence that circumcision removes the natural protection against meatal stenosis and, possibly, other USDs as well. This results in difficulties with normal urination.

http://www.thesurgeon.net/article/S1479-666X(16)30179-2/abstract

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The whole issue is a non issue? Don't you think a man should get a choice of rather he would have his penis cut rather than it be forced on him as a baby when he can't do anything.

"looks better" subjective. Every man should get to decide for himself what "looks better"

"cleaner" damn, too bad we don't have stuff like running water and soap available to nearly everyone in America.

reduce sensations= longer sex sessions You can train yourself to last longer by edging. You can't train yourself to replace millions of never endings which makes sex feel better. Also, the man should get to decide for himself whether or not he wants longer sex sessions or better sex for him.

How about replying like a man instead of editing.

"Stop crying" Stop coming onto discussions you don't agree with just to bitch.

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Seems only uncut dudes give a shit lol

How does it "seem" like that? If you'd done any research on the matter, you'd know that's not true.

The whole issue is a non issue.

Yet here you are, talking about a non-issue. It obviously means something to you, else you wouldn't be here.

Cut dicks look better,

It's almost as though there's something called an objective opinion. Some men are into morbidly obese women, but if they said "Morbidly obese women are hotter", like it's a fact rather than their personal taste, people would soon call bullshit.

are cleaner

Ever heard of a shower?

and reduce sensation

Probably the only sensible thing you've said. This, however, isn't a good thing. What if you can barely feel anything? By your own admission, it diminishes sensation, so answer me this; why should parents get to that their son's penis should work less well than intended?

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