Barbara Kay is blurring the lines between traditionalism and feminism

M4Strings · 2014-01-30T15:38:41+00:00

Since 2003, prostitution in New Zealand has been decriminalized, with brothels licenced, yet more violence is reported to police than before.

Well no shit there are going to be more reports of violence if the victims aren't going to be locked up when they report it. This doesn't mean there's more violence. I'm not sure if she's intentionally misleading people or if she's really just this goddamned retarded.

dejour · 2014-01-30T16:29:31+00:00

Disappointing, considering how often Kay writes articles that are very pro-men's rights.

MRB2012 · 2014-01-30T21:25:19+00:00

even though violence, drugs and sexual abuse of minors do not go hand in hand with the sale of avocados,

Farming is twice as dangerous as firefighting.

In 2002 Germany decriminalized brothels but since then has “found no measurable improvements detectable in achieving social protection for prostitutes, improving working conditions, encouraging prostitutes to exit the industry, or reducing crime.” (From a news source not cited by Perrin: Germany’s new leniency encouraged prostitutes from abroad. Germany now harbours 400,000 prostitutes, with many “virtual slaves to criminal gangs,” 10 times as many as France, which penalizes clients.)

Germany is closer to the countries human traffickers tend to take people from than France.

In 1999 Sweden left decades of decriminalization behind, opting to criminalize the purchasers — the “johns” — and the pimps, but not the prostitutes themselves.

Here's the problem. Hookers don't want their clients getting busted by the cops. It's bad for business. Criminalizing any element of prostitution forces the entire thing underground, which makes things more violent and less orderly.

Prostitution is never going to be a safe career choice.

Nor is fishing. So what? Not all jobs are safe jobs. Nor will they ever all be safe.

ZimbaZumba · 2014-01-30T22:46:55+00:00

More often or not Barbara Kay stalks a lot of sense; occasionally she talks a lot of nonsense. Such as now.

AlphaWookie · 2014-01-30T20:47:53+00:00

"In 1999 Sweden left decades of decriminalization behind, opting to criminalize the purchasers — the “johns” — and the pimps, but not the prostitutes themselves."

This is the goal to turn sex workers into victims, and lock up men.

Funcuz · 2014-01-31T00:18:21+00:00

I find it dumbfounding that anybody is surprised by the fact that violence has not fallen in countries where prostitution has been legalized. Why would it be ?

Think about it : Everybody knows that they have brothels in places where such things are technically illegal. So we all know about these places which is basically saying that they exist fairly conspicuously. If everybody including the cops knows about the brothels operating in their cities and towns , why don't they raid the places and shut them down ? Because they're safer places for everybody involved. The cops have a "don't ask , don't tell" policy where rub-and-tugs are involved.

So why are the cops happier to just let these places operate ? Because it saves every single person involved from danger. The girls don't have pimps reminding them with beatings that they have to hand over ALL the money at the end of the night (although it's a common misconception that all prostitutes have a pimp. It's actually a minority that do) They also don't have to get into cars with complete strangers to go looking for a dark and secluded place where nobody can hear or see anything.

The cops don't have to do any paper work. The house doesn't take all the money. The girls can be tested or at least be asked to be tested for STDs. The Johns don't have to worry about being robbed or anything like that.

So if the thrust of Mrs. Kays article is that violence hasn't dropped along with the pretense of criminalization of prostitution the answer is obvious : Nothing has changed for the cops except for a reclassification of who they're dealing with.

The same women (and men it should be pointed out) who were walking the streets before decriminalization are walking the streets after decriminalization. Some women can't get hired by a brothel. Some women don't want to share any of the earnings. Some women just can't be bothered to sit in a 'house of ill repute' when the sidewalk out front is perfectly empty. Those are the ones who are in danger and they're always going to exist.

Further , outreach programs are designed for women who are too stupid to figure out that they like to have sex and they like to make a lot of money. I don't mean that as an insult to women. Rather , I'm pointing out that if a woman is too stupid to have figured out what a brothel is for and what she's doing working in one , she's probably going to make more money working in one than she'll ever make using her brain. In fact , if she's good at what she does and takes her job seriously , she stands to make a lot more money than the vast majority of people. Sure , it's a brief window of opportunity for virtually all women but it's a profitable one.

I've never been to a prostitute. Never is a pretty long time but I don't foresee myself visiting one any time soon either. Nevertheless , I've toyed with the idea on occasion and I'm willing to bet that most men have done so as well. One thing I'm sure of is that if I did go to a prostitute , I'd rather go to a brothel for one than scrape one up off the street.

The world's oldest profession is never going to be obsolete. I find it entirely implausible that it's just as dangerous for a woman working in a legal brothel as it is for the girl giving tug-jobs behind Sev.

2014-01-31T00:32:19+00:00

Was there ever a line between them to begin with?

chevalier_d_eon · 2014-01-30T21:55:34+00:00

Someone should make a harmless song about this that we can misinterpret as a radfem attack on masculinity.

AlphaWookie · 2014-01-31T23:04:08+00:00

I think one thing feminist hate about sex workers, is it puts a dollar amount on sex. This demystifies the "value" of love making. Women and feminist are shocked at the low market value of their vaginas.

Title	Barbara Kay is blurring the lines between traditionalism and feminism
Author	SarcastiCock
Upvotes	20
Comments	19
Date	January 30, 2014 2:31 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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