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Battlefield V Pre Orders “Weak” After Developers Tell Customers Not To Buy The Game

TVCCH3

August 19, 2018
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/r/MensRights
https://society-reviews.com/2018/08/19/battlefield-v-pre-orders-weak-after-developers-tell-customers-not-to-buy-the-game/
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Title Battlefield V Pre Orders “Weak” After Developers Tell Customers Not To Buy The Game
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TVCCH3

Upvotes 9
Comments 46
Date August 19, 2018 4:53 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/98lmv5/battlefield_v_pre_orders_weak_after_developers/
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Comments

[–]EricAllonde 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For those saying, "This isn't a men's rights issue", I understand where you're coming from and you have a good point.

Let me add a little context to what OP is saying:

  • Before its release, the company hyped up this game with claims like, "The most historically accurate World War 2 game ever made".

  • Then the game was released, with a one-armed female soldier as its figurehead.

  • Fans were disappointed by this departure from the promised historical accuracy.

  • Of course, the customers for games like this are majority male.

  • One view of this historical revision is that it is diminishing the importance of men's role in winning WW2 for the Allies, and elevating women's role far beyond what's deserved. Another example of women appropriating, or at least claiming credit for, men's accomplishments?

  • The exec in charge of game design announced that he was responsible for shoehorning women soldiers into key roles in the game, when in reality there were no women in such roles during WW2.

  • He explained that having a young daughter made him realise that "Female representation is very important", that any fans disappointed with his approach were simply "uneducated and they should "not buy the game".

  • It turns out a whole lot of (male) fans took his advice and didn't buy the game. Sales have been terrible.

  • The exec has just resigned from the company.

  • As with the 2016 Ghostbusters movie, this incident should serve to teach companies an important lesson: don't shit on men when you're scripting and/or creating your product; and don't label all criticism of your decision to shit on men as "misogyny" and claim it's all coming from uneducated/sexist/loser guys. That is, don't do those things if you want any men to buy your product.

[–]RacelessSexlessName 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One view of this historical revision is that it is diminishing the importance of men's role in winning WW2 for the Allies, and elevating women's role far beyond what's deserved. Another example of women appropriating, or at least claiming credit for, men's accomplishments?

The most important part of this that everyone else posting here is flat out ignoring. How many posts do you think would show up in TwoX if there was a "historical based game" that replaced prominent women figures with men...

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Archive -- https://archive.is/hCkTO

[–]RacelessSexlessName 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You poor bastard, I feel you never get enough credit and people don't learn from you... +65 upvotes and counting from me.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. I just hope it helps some people.

[–]APleasantLumberjack 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also appreciate your efforts, though why don't we just have a bot that does this?

[–]Stuartiebloke -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ, how is this Men’s Rights?

[–]TVCCH3 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Read the article, the reason why sales are down is because of Feminist backlash against the community

[–]Stuartiebloke -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

What’s that got to do with Men’s RIGHTS? This sub has become just another anti - SJW subreddit despite the fact that there’s already about 8 already dedicated to it.

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Now is your big chance Stuart! Start a new sub for men to discuss only what you approve of!! Ban any who oppose you!!!

Or you can stick around here and complain about a sub you don't like?

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

So it’s unreasonable to expect a sub to talk about it’s subject?

Fuck it, r/squaredcircle features UFC because they’re essentially the same thing, right?

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Having expectations leads to disappointment. Ignore the posts that you are interested in; engage the ones you are.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe sticking to the actual topic could be of benefit?

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The topic of this thread has nothing to do with the topic of staying on topic.

It seems you are off topic.

Which topic are you trying to stay on?

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

“How is this Men’s Rights?” That’s literally how I started this. I’m still discussing this. Where have I gone topic?

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Your complaint is off-topic for this particular thread.

It's amusing to watch you rage against the very thing you are doing.

[–]Stuartiebloke1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Because I’m not blindly going along with everyone else suddenly constitutes as being off topic? Ok.

Also, “Rage”? Hilarious.

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, it is hilarious.

Now, if somebody created a post specifically about the content of this sub and you posted your comment there, you'd be spot on.

Instead you go to a thread about video game developers and make an off-topic reply about people being off-topic.

Then when somebody calls you on it, instead of realizing your faux pas, you argue that you aren't off-topic.

Hilarious indeed. Thank you!

[–]Stuartiebloke1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

...

So in order to criticise the irrelevancy of posts in this sub, there needs to be a separate post relating to irrelevant posts being featured before I can make my thoughts heard. Instead of, you know, just criticising the pointless post directly.

Are you usually this stupid or do you have to work at it?

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Or you can continue to whine about it and ignore the fact that there is a meta sub for this place where your complaint actually belongs.

But hey, you do you

lolol

[–]Stuartiebloke1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I thought this sub hated echo chambers?

[–]Standard_Rules_Apply1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

lolol!!!

[–]Stuartiebloke1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Thanks for admitting I’m right.

[–]Talbooth -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

^^^^ This. We should stay to advocating men's rights, not raging over nontroversies and tearing down feminists or just even women in general in some cases - let's not sink to their level.

[–]Talbooth 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It isn't, this is more of a material for r/KotakuInAction.

[–]Stuartiebloke 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“B...b...but... the SJW’s!” This sub proclaims.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The right to not buy a terrible game is one I will defend to the death! /s

More to the point, I have pointed out many times that people here use the word "rights" incorrectly, again and again. This is more a general interest story for men at large which involves a dishonest attempt at doing actual revisionist history to favor the SJW/feminist desired history where men and women participated in WWII during the conflict at large. BS.

That would never have been an issue if the developers had said, day fucking 1, "It's alt history." and everyone would have just said "Ah okay, cool.", but they reap what they sow. Their game will sell very poorly, which for a Battlefield title, means they really fucked up bad....

[–]Stuartiebloke 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I’m not disputing not buying what you don’t want to buy. I’m saying this nontroversy has no relevance to this sub.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

But the same could be said of the majority of posts, and that was my point. If you silenced the people that aren't talking about the rights of men, then you'd have very little left.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So then what is the point of this sub if the majority of posts are irrelevant to the purpose of the sub?

[–]andejoh 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of the posts are relevant. Some people simply believe that relevance is insufficient. It must be Earth shattering. If it's supposed to be historic and the issue is the presence of a female soldier, which is not historically accurate, it gives women credit for the sacrifices men made; I could see this being men's rights related.

The whole wage gap complaint is essentially the same thing. Women must be compensated (given the same credit) as a man even if she doesn't do as much work or her working conditions are better or less dangerous.

Is it Earth shattering? Maybe that's the issue you're having.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no opinion on the controversy either way. I don’t care what gender my character is. I’m more focused on gameplay and function.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

First and foremost, to have a central hub where people that are interested in discussing men's rights are able to congregate.

Unlike manginas/feminists/women, discussing men's rights , or criticism feminism for that matter, is extremely dangerous in modernity. I've been banned from other subreddits for just the vague insinuation that I don't support hardcore leftist ideology....

That never happens here. People here talk about , again , men's rights, but also feel relaxed enough to talk about general topics of interest for men. I see nothing wrong with that, this subreddit is not a feminist/SJW echo chamber style subreddit, it has relaxed moderation and allows for robust liberty of expression for all.

etc.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First and foremost, to have a central hub to discuss Men’s Rights, that you just said isn’t what the majority of posts relate to.

If the sub is just to discuss anti-SJW topics, then there is about 7 other subreddits for that.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the sub is just to discuss anti-SJW topics

Didn't I already specifically state that that wasn't the case?

I sense you are wasting my time, gg.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“If you silenced the people not posting about the rights of men, you’d have very little left”

Then later saying that the primary point of the subreddit is to discuss Men’s Rights, despite contradicting yourself by admitting that people don’t stick to that topic.

What am I missing?

[–]Pacificaas 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The devs claim that disabled women played a significant role in World War II. While they willfully neglect all of the significant war efforts led by disabled men. /s

[–]Stuartiebloke -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It’s Battlefield for Christ’s sake. No one is using it as a history lesson.

[–]Pacificaas 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It's quite obviously a politics lesson.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s the epitome of a nontroversy to me. I don’t care what my character is in Battlefield. Gameplay and function are most important and playing as a woman with a prosthetic arm does nothing to affect that.

[–]Pacificaas 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where all reason is gone, you're left with politics. I think the proverb is rather fitting.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That was the promise before its release, however:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/98lmv5/battlefield_v_pre_orders_weak_after_developers/e4hrdpc/

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Still doesn’t explain how it’s a Men’s RIGHTS issue. What is being infringed upon? The impact of the male soldiers? No one is playing these games for accuracy. They want to have fun. Or rather they should be, over bitching about nontroveries incessantly.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like others have said: if you are triggered by any discussion of men's issues that are not related to rights, then you're not going to enjoy being in this sub. You should go create the ideologically pure sub that you want because it doesn't yet exist.

[–]Stuartiebloke 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Triggered? For raising issues with the fact that the sub blatantly doesn’t adhere to its purpose. Of course that’s unreasonable of me, I forgot. Fucks sake.

There should be a sub for the discussion of Mens Rights now that you mention it, why not r/MensRights?

[–]PapaDrag0on -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not mens rights issue

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