Becoming ambient

truthjusticeca · 2012-11-23T18:57:31+00:00

The comments section is a gold mine of discussion. As good as the article itself.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-11-23T19:42:01+00:00

[What is the primordial nature of woman?] Who cares? Personally I'd rather help male (all) victims than police actions that can't be measured. If someone commits a crime, lock them up, if someone engages in emotional bullying - unfortunately that is un-policable without the police becoming some sort of horror.

CosmicKeys · 2012-11-24T01:28:05+00:00

I very much agree with the idea that the MRM should distance itself from other ideologies. There are two issues here:

1) The MRM needs to distinguish itself from PUAs, genuine misogynists, both liberals and conservatives, and most importantly traditionalists. It is possible to be either egalitarian or traditionalist and an MRA. Personally I loathe pro-sexism traditionalists but it is not mine or anyone elses place to stop their voice about mens rights. What we should be doing is stopping their voice if any of their own ideological biases are mixed in with their message on mens rights. It isn't easy to put aside your political views for example, but it is essential to keeping the voice of an ideology clear.

2) The second issue is the "if you're not with us you're against us" mentality of social justice groups. Atheism+ is the stellar example here - a conglomerate of groups and a narrow schism of ideologies - if you're an atheist and not an atheist+ you're a misogynist.

This has special ramifications for the relationship between the MRM and very similar movements like the LGBT community, legitimate womens rights groups, or minority groups. When you have feminism wholly advocating for these groups and the MRM just shrugging their shoulders, I have no doubt the MRM would be making themselves an easy target. Therefore I think there definitely are certain groups the MRM should be in support of, but it should be kept narrow. I don't think this would at all be controversial because from all I've seen the MRM wholly supports LGBT and minority communities. Women's rights groups... ehh a bit shaky there.

Title	Becoming ambient
Author	truthjusticeca
Upvotes	14
Comments	4
Date	November 23, 2012 6:57 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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