Do you guys agree with this article? Should we sacrifice "masculinity" for equality?

lazlounderhill · 2013-12-05T17:02:42+00:00

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity - there are only toxic individuals. Masculinity is as benign/malicious as Femininity - they are merely human artifices used to describe the social manifestation of biology. When feminists malign masculinity, they are practicing misandry - there is no honest way to deny that fact. You need to understand, and I'm deadly serious, that when you demonize an entire gender, you are practicing a form of hatred that is worse than racism. This is something the Southern Poverty Law Center apparently fails to understand: Misandry includes the hatred of men of ALL races, ethnicities and nationalities. That, my friends, is a whole lotta hatred - and yet the ONLY movement even remotely concerning itself with a growing, culturally engrained and engendered MISANDRY, is the MRA, the same movement that has been identified by the SPLC as a hate group. We need to assert a presence and a voice in the SPLC and all social justice organizations, no matter what you think of the notion of "social justice" as it is commonly understood, because the fact of the matter is, the MRM by definition is a justice movement for men, in the form of fair treatment under the law and in society. These are powerful organizations and their views and their blind eyes with regard to men and the MRM - it is a mistake to dismiss social justice organizations, categorically and summarily dismiss them, and thereby allow misandrists to define, unchallenged, the MRM for these organizations. We need to engage them.

CosmicKeys · 2013-12-05T12:18:19+00:00

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CosmicKeys · 2013-12-05T11:14:13+00:00

I generally dislike Doctor Nerdlove. An excruciatingly long and pointless read so let me tl;dr if for you: "let me describe masculinity to you focusing on only men, because men are the cause of all men's problems.".

A good example:

Of course, the problem isn’t that women are going to judge them – in fact, women are far more likely to forgive whiskey-dick, especially if he’s willing to apply himself in other areas – but other men.

Ha, see how deftly he tries to put all of the shame and onto other men? Can't you see it's men who are the problem?

If you ever stray into MRM boards or witness the way the way they respond to visible feminists like Amanda Marcotte or Caroline Criado-Perez or Anita Sarkeesian or any other female writer you might care to name, then you will notice that the threat and promise of violence is ever-present.

Ridiculous.

Bartab · 2013-12-05T11:09:37+00:00

That article is full to the brim of shit.

Equality before the law is what we demand, as guaranteed by the 14th amendment in the US. Even proposing that "masculinity" affects that equality is abhorrent.

2013-12-06T18:24:42+00:00

Masculinity and femininity seem like largely illusionary concepts. They are concepts that only hold value in the eyes of the subjective observer.

Or perhaps I perceive them to only be illusionary? Way I see it, people aren't all that different, or atleast from my vantage point they aren't.

Alot of times, people use concepts to control other people, or to justify/hide behind their actions. Me personally, I don't buy into the whole psychopathic behavior of being promiscuous(it is one of the symptoms of being a psychopath). The problem is, many psychopathic men have tried to hide their behavior behind the "I am a guy" card.

Hence the notion of "toxic masculinity" was born.

Another symptom of psychopaths is, they tend to be very controlling. Contrary to what psychologists say, as many here probably know, there are alot of female psychopaths too. So they use the concept of masculinity as their wish list of what a guy is and should be.

I think people should strive to grow as strong, honest, and forthright people. The rest will sort itself out.

Title	Do you guys agree with this article? Should we sacrifice "masculinity" for equality?
Author	Fen94
Upvotes	3
Comments	15
Date	December 5, 2013 10:56 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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