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female-only hackaton

uilenmirror

April 3, 2018
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Title female-only hackaton
Author

uilenmirror

Upvotes 88
Comments 35
Date April 3, 2018 12:33 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/896tnd/femaleonly_hackaton/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/female-only-hackaton.903428
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[–]jeff_the_nurse 37 points38 points39 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

When's the whites-only hackathon?

[–]chambertlo -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You misspelled “blacks-only”.

[–]ExpendableOne 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not really misspelled. Both analogies serve the same purpose.

[–]17789 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Apple just had one of these in Boston, the irony is it was part of a program they have called "everyone can code" (except males, apparently)

[+]uilenmirror1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Could you imagine the shitstorm if the roles were reversed? Only non-binary and males allowed but females can participate in part 2.

[–]TrumpsCockHolster 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This whole "can you imagine the shitstorm" argument is a common one. But somewhat of a pipe dream as men are either too lazy or too scared to actually do anything in their own interest these days. I'd really like for men to start organizing there own events and mentoring younger men more.

[–]NibblyPig 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well that's because we believe in a system of merit, so we'll invite anyone that wants to do something to go and do it, we're not interested in discriminating. You'd have to be a real sourpuss to get bitter about other people being better than you to start excluding people.

[–]nannuq 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Then you hold an event and state the event is open to everyone regardless of arbitrary birth characteristics. Winners and honors given out will be based on merit. No identity politics will be used as justification of bigotry like other events have in the past.

When these little bigots spring up and cry foul the only correct response is why are you a bigot and what excuse to you use to justify your bigotry. Also continually point out saying judging someone on arbitrary birth characteristics is bad while also saying men, whites, or any other arbitrary birth characteristics is bad is the very definition of doublethink and all doublethink does is prove you are a dishonest individual with zero principles. Oh yeah and their hypocrites.

Edit: I would also like to add. That as long as these events receive no public funds whatsoever then I feel they should have the right to exclude anyone they want. If women want their space that's fine as long as they don't cry about men having theirs, but we already know they will cry and Shame about men having their space and cry and shame some more when men hold the women to the standards that were set by women

[–]CulturalWishbone 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A bunch of guys should show up and just say they are "non-binary".

[–]Pseudonymble 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

... and when they are denied entry raise a big stink about pre-judging them on their looks and attire.

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is wikimedia coding?

[+]uilenmirror1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

it's used by wikipedia, here's more info: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Netherlands_Hackathon_2018_-_Women_Tech_Storm

[–]Lethn 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL holy crap, so in other words you've got a bunch of computer illiterate feminists who are learning how to fiddle around with the back end of wikipedia. What could possibly go wrong? :D I love their schedule they're calling it 'hacking' and what does the workshop involve I wonder? I'm honestly curious now.

[+]uilenmirror1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not about that because men will mess up just as hard with the software. What annoys me is the pure discrimination based on gender to participate in.... learning to code. I don't have problems with women-only gyms but this is a bit too much for me.

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Perhaps I'm jumping to conclusions based on extremely predictable previous experience but if there's any kind of feminist style women only events learning anything it's usually bullshit. I highly doubt they're going to be learning anything useful there, python programming looks vaguely promising but the other stuff I'm going "Hmmm" over.

"add a topic Just throwing around ideas here:

We plan on having about 5 workshops during the Friday and Saturday and the question to you is: what would you like to learn?

Python bot programming assignments

Sparqle queries on Wikidata (learn from the masters!)

GlamWiki Toolset for images on Commons (there's a backlog with requests from about a year ago on Commons)

Building or maintaining apps for mobile phones

Working with more 'advanced' tools like VisualFileChanger

OpenRefine for analysing and cleaning up data

Working with QuickStatements on Wikidata

or

Mediawiki building and maintaining

Using, editing and building Wikisource

What would you like to learn? We love to hear your proposal and see if we can arrange that for you!"

This is their little list, mobile apps might be worthwhile and so on but eh I suppose I'd have to research this myself to see if they're going to be doing anything useful, my own experience of courses like this has not been good. I could well be biased from my own education but what happened to me was we probably did what may as well have been five minutes worth of actual learning and the rest was bullshit.

Doesn't really matter what I think in the long run anyway, if it's a feminist run operation it will fall on it's arse, they always do when they have to do something practical and actually think.

[–]moroi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actual results are irrelevant. Didn't you get the memo that meritocracy is toxic? What's important are the feelings. They'll all generally pat each other's backs for two days and establish collective illusion of breaking down some white male monopoly, the patriarchy or whatever, then come home and write lengthy blog posts about it for other feminists to read and that'll be all. Just a total waste of money and time, to cater to feelings.

I'm just sad and sorry for any actual programmeress that makes the mistake to attend such event. Although, virtually every one of those I know is also smart enough to see through the bullshit.

[–]moroi 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So after all this bashing how sex (male/female) and gender (man/woman/xe/attackhelicopter/...) are totally different things, somehow female is a gender now. What next, declaring that male and maleness is not a thing (I can actually totally see that coming). Yeah, talk to me again how it never was salami slicing tactics.

[–]boringcarpets 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha, I wonder if it will be like all other "women in tech/engineering" events where it's just women taking about being women in the industry, no tech, no engineering?

[–]Nikitah 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I recently went to one of those events for the free booze. It was a shitshow of stroking each other's egos, might as well gone drinking to a toddler day care.

Most of the questions for the panelists were in the vain of "I kind of like IT for the money, but I only like computers for social media. I want to be in management. How do I do that?".

[–]ClefAria 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of the questions for the panelists were in the vain of "I kind of like IT for the money, but I only like computers for social media. I want to be in management. How do I do that?".

I think envisioning this question being asked caused me physical pain.

[–]Spatch7 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lo-key think it would be hilarious if their event got hacked by a group of men. Nothing malicious, just some teasing.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So learning to edit Wikipedia is "hacking" now? Or is that just a cool sounding verb that they think will attract an enormous female turnout?

[–]Vidar34 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wikimedia isn't much of a programming language. Calling this a "hackathon" is like calling a stroll through your back yard an excursion or a safari. Of course this is for women only, because male developers would be insulted by the very notion of a "wikimedia hackathon".

[–]the-capitan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i've seen plenty of promo emails go out for female only hackathons. themed hackathons are already hard to host without some artificial restriction on attendees.

wanna know what happens? go look at a non-newbie dev meetup that's free to attend. it's always 99%+ male. there are very few women coders, and even fewer want to spend their free time writing code. a month before the event, they invariably open it up to "male technical assistance" to fill out the teams. if they don't, they usually cancel it day-of when no one shows up.

[–]SpikedGIraffe 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She personally assured me that men were also entered in the hackathon

[–]therealsnakecharmer -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

To be fair women are really underrepresented in IT. And working in that field I've witnessed a lot of toxicity towards them. It's not like that time I heard about a female only punk music festival, that was just dumb.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

um no?

No more than men are underrepresented in teaching at least.

[–]Div12 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are underepresented in IT. In this case this is fair enough

Men are underepresented in teaching. If there was an event for male-only teaching that would be fair. However there will be an outrage even though there shouldn't be

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not under representation if they just don't want to do it...

[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And working in that field I've witnessed a lot of toxicity towards them.

I've forty years in the field working for government and private industry and have seen nothing of the kind.

[–]CounterfeitMemes 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women's representation in IT is proportional to the number of women who pursue IT... or at least it was.

[–]RealityTriage3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Women are underrepresented in IT only if you believe there is some correct level of representation and want to take away everyone's right to choose a career.

[–]8880886 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't care less about any female only groups of anything.

[–]Regs2 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been working in IT for the last 10 years and I've witnessed the exact opposite attitude towards females. Everyone knows about the dearth of females in tech so instead of toxicity, they get one on one time with experienced developers, they'll be 1st in line for mentorships, and will be fast tracked into these positions regardless of skill level.

This creates an interesting situation where as a guy, you have to be very good just to get these promotions while the females have to be, umm, well, female. Because of this, the guys on the dev team will be mostly really good, while most females are average or worse. Unintentionally, this promotes the idea that females aren't cut out for these positions because of the difference in quality of the males because they had to be so much better to get the position in the first place.

[–]Chesterchadsworth -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because they would not stand a chance against male hackers.

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