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Gender differences: New study involving 10,261 subjects reveals that there is only a 10 to 24% overlap in personality traits for men and women. (Doesn't claim these differences are biological) - via r/science

EvilPundit

January 5, 2012

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http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029265

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Title	Gender differences: New study involving 10,261 subjects reveals that there is only a 10 to 24% overlap in personality traits for men and women. (Doesn't claim these differences are biological) - via r/science
Author	EvilPundit
Upvotes	13
Comments	71
Date	January 5, 2012 5:57 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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First I'll say I really doubt women who don't fall in line are shamed as much as men who are. Wimpy/gay men might get killed, while old maids will just be frowned upon.

But we also have to realize that without social shaming, a society might not get the results they want. If you don't shame women for being promiscuous, then you'll have a lot more women who are promiscuous, and if this ends up being a bad thing for society, then failure to shame women for being promiscuous is a mistake. Similarly, if you don't shame men for being weak....

And if the truth is that society is better off in the end if shaming is used, and men are generally better off if they are shamed into not being weak, and women are generally better off if they are shamed into not being promiscuous, then shaming isn't "fucked up", it's quite right.

Perhaps it would be nice if shaming weren't necessary, but I don't see it being feasible, and it certainly wasn't throughout human history. We also have evidence from the fall of civilizations such as Rome, and the decline of our own civilization, that even if it is feasible to do away with such shaming, it isn't sustainable.

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Show me a traditionalist society that is fair to men and women.

There are plenty of examples throughout history.

Anyway, I think I understand where you're coming from now. You realize that your "solution" isn't a solution at all. You realize that as long as big government collectivism is the dominant political persuasion, things will be unfair for men, and all we can do is try to make things better. You believe that big government collectivism is the only possible future for us, that they're is no fighting it, that we should give up and adhere to "progressive" answers to men's problems that aren't really solutions at all.

But you are wrong. The only way we find solutions is to let go of these "progressive" big government delusions. It's already happening. It's happening because our youth is becoming informed through the internet. If we had only the youth vote, Ron Paul would have won both of the Republican primaries. He provides a message of freedom, of limited government, of ending racist and sexist policies that prop up certain groups (such as women), of realizing that a free market and equal opportunity are real solutions to our problems. Clearly it's possible to have a revolution of ideas because Paul is doing it right now. People can realize that the status quo is BS, it is possible. MRAs do it. Things can change. We can remember what we used to know, that men and women are different, not equal. We can promote traditional masculine ways of thinking in our young men, instead of trying to turn them into conforming little girls in our educational system. We can bring back genuine conservatism.

But it's going to be a lot harder if the establishment is successful in censoring the internet with SOPA and PIPA. If they censor the internet, the free flow of ideas stops, and we get much closer to a global government and worldwide fascism. This is why politics are essential to the men's rights movement.

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Much fairer than today

You were not alive then to know. And many today would disagree that it was more fair then and perceive today's system as more fair, that's precisely why so many people don't want it. And yes I know the change over was instigated by gov. and corps with the help of tec and feminism and that people had more but that's a different topic. Lack of BC, is the reason why many aspects of traditionalism evolved, its proliferation is the reason that we need fewer of those aspects.

Traditionalism will always exist in some forms because of biology and choices, but totalitarian traditionalism is not fair for too many people, because of natural biological variations in humans.

Its really a waste of energy advocating for something that can never happen, artificially creating traditionalism in conditions that don't require it for a population that a large % of would fight not to have. And Gov. and corps would never agree in the first place and forcing the change of they did would take pointing guns at people. So, this dispute that the traditionalists have with the men's movement, is a fools errand.

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Depends on the traditionalism, if traditionalism is the only choice people are given its totalitarian, if traditionalism is an option but there are other choices, that you can make without being punished for it, its not totalitarian. I'm not thinking of leftism, I'm thinking of religious states and islamofascism.

Religious states and leftist regimes work in very similar ways, people are controlled with guilt and shame, people are brainwashed into watching each other for signs of political incorrectness/sinning/dishonor/sexual freedom. There needs to be a state information apparatus in place to keep people thinking and behaving "correctly" and censor politically incorrect influences. Imposing sexual political/religious correctness takes totalitarianism and brainwashing, because it involves controlling natural strong biological drives and only allows for two orientations, when in reality there are more than two orientations, so like the pro-androgyny leftists, its pushing against various biological realities. Both groups want to legislate against and oppress what offends their sensitivities and what is deemed politically incorrect by their ideologies.

What Demonspawn advocates for is definitely some sort of totalitarian military police state and state brainwashing system. The media would have to be controlled and censored. There would be no other way to take away so many peoples rights, re-suppress sexuality and force everyone to live how he would like them to without the threat of violence, brainwashing and monitoring on each other for signs of political incorrectness.

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Human societies seem to follow a pattern. Chaos leads to traditional societies which flourish for a fair amount of time, but once they accrue a great deal of wealth they then lead to spoiled "progressive" luxurious societies like ours which then collapse and the cycle begins anew. Continuing "progressive" solutions will only make it all less sustainable, and bring us closer to the collapse. Also, it's true there's really no going back to a traditional society now without a collapse. So what we should learn from this is that 1) progressive solutions really aren't solutions at all, and 2) traditionalism works only as long as progressivism is kept at bay.

I'm not convinced that we can really put an end to this cycle because I'm not convinced you can put a stop to bad people manipulating the public into accepting nice-sounding, but ultimately destructive "progressive" ideas.

But I am convinced that traditionalism works to produce a healthy, functional society, at least until it allows itself to be destroyed.

slut shaming is a gynocentric ideology http://www.femininebeauty.info/suppression.pdf men can take the lead for the first time in history, by talking control over their reproductive systems.

Well, thus far men have needed women to reproduce, and not only that, we are biologically driven to want women so that we'll reproduce, and to protect women so that we might get a chance at reproducing. I can imagine a lot of problems with sustaining a system where women aren't necessary even while men still desire them. Maybe you can give me an example of what you think such a society would look like? I know the Futurist spoke about the four horseman of male emancipation in The Misandry Bubble, but once those happen the only possible result seems to be collapse. When man have no reason to produce value, society collapses.

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As I've said in the past before: Acting like men and women are equal on any level is just outright denial. The obvious, indisputable is physical difference. Psychologically, there's proof of men being more capable than women as well, but it's not nice to admit that.
When you consider the situation from a survival view, it only makes sense that men would develop stronger cognitive connections to a plethora of concerns, most notably logic and reasoning.

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