How do we communicate to non-MRAS? Why do we get such a vicious response? Why can't reasonable dialogue exist?

LAMGE2 · 2024-03-02T16:04:41+00:00

How do you plan to talk with people who were brainwashed since childhood and aren’t open to truth inherently?

GANK_STER · 2024-03-02T16:48:34+00:00

Because 1 - people just dont care about men or their issues, and certainly not like they do women. And 2 - feminism has done a MARVELOUS job of lying and convincing everyone that if anyone has issues, its women and men have easy-mode life, when its literally the opposite...

And nothing can really be done until more women step up and start advocating on behalf of men. Ironically men NEED women to speak on their behalf when it comes to things like this, because when men try to do it themselves, they are assumed to just be trying to implement more of that evil "patriarchy" and "oppression". Ironically, this doesnt happen when women advocate for themselves... which should be all the evidence anyone needs to know that women are in a much better place than men to have their needs/issues heard and/or dealt with but thats life.

iainmf · 2024-03-02T19:09:09+00:00

One thing to do is ground everything in 'human rights' or 'gender equality'. For example, I often use this argument:

Everyone has human rights
Human Rights need protecting
Therefore we need to protect men's human rights.

Almost everybody agrees. Some people argue that men's rights are already protected, but that is them agreeing in principle. I say to them that in order to know that men's rights are protected we need to monitor them.

I also say that everybody has the right to advocate for themselves, and this includes men. Preventing someone from advocating for themselves is a violation of their rights.

In terms of 'gender equality', I like the UN Women definition. They define gender equality as:

the equal rights, responsibilities and opportunities of women and men and girls and boys. Equality does not mean that women and men will become the same but that women’s and men’s rights, responsibilities and opportunities will not depend on whether they are born male or female. Gender equality implies that the interests, needs and priorities of both women and men are taken into consideration, recognizing the diversity of different groups of women and men. Gender equality is not a women’s issue but should concern and fully engage men as well as women. Equality between women and men is seen both as a human rights issue and as a precondition for, and indicator of, sustainable people-centered development.

from UN Women Training Centre Gender Equality Glossary

So you can argue that the "interests, needs and priorities" of men need equal consideration.

DifficultPapaya3038 · 2024-03-02T17:15:59+00:00

People like that don’t want to talk they want to assert power over you through their ideas. So when you call them out or even criticize them in the slightest they will see red and start raging like the fascists they truly are. Just like George Orwell wrote: “ It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy”

There is no reasoning with those types. They’re mentally C O O K E D

reddboy1981 · 2024-03-02T18:07:02+00:00

We need to focus on bringing men together not trying to talk to women who don't want to listen to us

KPplumbingBob · 2024-03-02T17:23:00+00:00

It's going to be petty hard now either way. But maybe we could look at the way feminism gets shit done by being loud and obnoxious. Lots of people come on here saying if we want to be taken seriously we need to eradicate all misogyny on here etc but feminism never needed to do anything of the sort and still doesn't do it.

Sure, we could be more productive but also, making a mountain out of a molehill would probably do us more good than being reasonable and rational on every issuse.

Felarhin · 2024-03-03T07:40:26+00:00

Use their own terms against them.

63daddy · 2024-03-02T16:02:17+00:00

Spend your effort on open-minded people willing to listen to objective facts. Arguing with feminists is wasted time (though I do it anyways).

Being willing and able to respond when the opportunity arises helps. For example when someone in a group of friends said women couldn’t vote prior to 1920, I responded that wasn’t actually true. When one woman mentioned women don’t have to worry about their safety the way women do, I asked why she felt that way given men are victims of violent crime as much as women, much more at risk of being murdered and astronomically more likely to be killed on the job.

When I was a young adult, I kept hearing little things that didn’t make sense, which eventually made me question the overall gender narrative, so that’s the approach I generally take with others. While they might not be willing to quickly jump on the MRA bandwagon, hopefully repeated, non pushy facts eventually get them to re-examine the gender narrative they’ve been fed. Of course I’m willing to go into a longer conversation if the other party is open to it.

Of course, in order to take advantage of opportunities requires one is able to quickly identify misinformation and be able to correct it either more accurate facts.

Some question the value of forums such as this where one is speaking to the choir, and this last point is where I find such subs, forums, articles, etc helpful. Becoming familiar with and addressing points here allows me to better articulate issues when the opportunity arises elsewhere.

Title	How do we communicate to non-MRAS? Why do we get such a vicious response? Why can't reasonable dialogue exist?
Author	Damassia
Upvotes	46
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Date	March 2, 2024 12:32 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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