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If you take just one message from this article it should be this: more than half of male sex offenders against women were sexually abused themselves as children by a woman.

N19864

May 5, 2020
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Title If you take just one message from this article it should be this: more than half of male sex offenders against women were sexually abused themselves as children by a woman.
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N19864

Upvotes 140
Comments 15
Date May 5, 2020 4:48 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]silent_boo 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's the ones that know and admit they have been abused

[–]Nomoxis117 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Being a victim of abuse is still no excuse for being an abuser yourself though.

[–]N19864[S] 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course not. But this issue is never touched or tackled. You need to solve these issues at the roots, otherwise they well never cease. Recognition of male victims and providing support groups before committing a crime, is a step in the right direction. Also tough sentencing on female child abusers.

[–]Oncefa2 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Research on female sexual abusers usually tries to highlight how they were often abuse victims as well.

The research is important for other reasons besides "excusing" people's behaviors. Although to point out the obvious: female abusers do often get that kind of preferential treatment. Sometimes getting out of jail early because people see them as victims more often than perpetrators.

Men do bad things because they're bad people. Women do bad things because bad things have been done to them in the past... That's how most people see it anyway.

Research like this will help to show that its really not that gendered. And that the standards we use (whatever those standards may be) should be applied to both men and women equally.

[–]N19864[S] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men do bad things because they're bad people. Women do bad things because bad things have been done to them in the past... That's how most people see it anyway.

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50+ years of femtardism hasn't helped. It has reshaped our reality.

​

Had Erin Pizzey and ilk, never got shut down by the horrid ones, we might have had a better society without this "gender wars".

[–]alway122 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For sure. But, I think understanding the process through which sexual abuse perpetuates itself could really help. I'm hoping no one sees it as some kind of justification for it.

[–]deville05 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeha that argument only applies to men... Because men gotta get their shit together no matter what.

[–]konous 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

THIS!

[–]Cheap-Cherry 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow I've never thought of it like that! That is so so sad :(

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you're saying... Sexual abuse begets sexual abuse?

[–]N19864[S] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been known for a long time, but the feminist hide it if men are the victims of female abuse, sexual or otherwise.

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They have an agenda and it's working.

[–]N19864[S] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Naomi Murphy is a psychotherapist working at HM Prison Whitemore, a top security prison housing serious violent and sexual offenders (men, obviously). Naomi reported that 54% of the male sex offenders had been sexually abused themselves as children by women.

...

In 1984, American researchers Petrovich and Templer studied a sample of 83 adult (male) rapists and found 59% had been heterosexually molested as children (“Heterosexual molestation of children who later become rapists”

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This latter point was confirmed by O’Brien (1989) who reports that sex offenders against male victims who had themselves a history of having been abused were more likely to have been abused by a male. Similarly, and even more emphatically, of sex offenders against female victims who had themselves a history of having been abused in childhood, 93% had been abused by a female. [O’Brien, M.J. (1989), “Characteristics of Male Adolescent Sibling Incest Offenders”, Orwell, VT: Safer Society Press]. Such observations suggest a causal link and some form of ‘learnt’ or familial behaviour.

[–]Oncefa2 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More sources about this here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160417025237/redpilluk.co.uk/AbuseOfChildren.pdf

The Naomi Murphy quote was unpublished when the article was written. It comes from an interview the author had with her. That was circa 2017 so it may be published now, but I'm not sure where.

There are at least two sources in the above document saying something similar though.

However it is the rate of sexual abuse experienced, in their prior history, by male prisoners and sex offenders which is striking. References imply that 46% of male prisoners had been abused by women (only), whilst 59% of adult male sex offenders had been sexually abused by a female (only). This link between male offenders and having been sexually abused specifically by women is remarkable.

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The most striking, and important, finding was the alarmingly high rate of sexual abuse by females in the backgrounds of rapists, sex offenders and sexually aggressive men – 59% (Petrovich and Templer, 1984), 66% (Groth, 1979) and 80% (Briere and Smiljanich, 1993). A strong case for the need to identify female perpetrators can be found in Table 11.7, which presents the findings from a study of adolescent sex offenders by O’Brien (1989). Male adolescent sex offenders abused by “females only” chose female victims almost exclusively.

Source: Frederick Mathews, "The Invisible Boy: Revisioning the Victimization of Male Children and Teens", Health Canada, Minister of Public Works and Government Services Canada 1996.

That male sex offenders generally have a history of having been sexually abused by their mothers was well known to Erin Pizzey 40 years ago, Ref.[11.10].

Source: Erin Pizzey, Jeff Shapiro, "Prone to Violence", Hamlyn (Oct 1982).

[–]l0verg1rl 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sources? Oddly, none of the sources linked in this article reflect this. I'm not saying I know differently or that this is incorrect- just that none of these studies linked reflect the message of this article and some are even in direct conflict with it.

[–]gaia2008 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is cop out for the abuser to gain sympathy and become the victim, Pete Towshend with images of kids was apparently researching for his book as he was once a victim of abuse.

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