ignore vs engage - talking strategy

Ok_Research219 · 2021-10-28T07:23:46+00:00

I look at it this way.

Engage: Possibility of going to jail. ( because things can escalate due to some women like to yell to make their point heard. They get up close to you and then they can hit you up with you touched them some type of way. )

Ignore: Don’t have to worry about going to jail and continue your life in peace.

The reality is in order for thing to change women need to check other women and call them out on their bs. Guys have done it long enough with no results. When things affect the men that women are with. Then things will change. No need to involve yourself at this point.

Nathaniel66 · 2021-10-28T08:20:41+00:00

It's really a matter of the law where you live. In my country it's not as bad as in USA. If a woman hits me and i hit her back in most cases it will be considered as self defense and no problem, especially if you have a clear record.

TheRandomedOne · 2021-10-28T07:47:50+00:00

Ignore would be better option unless you have a lot of free time and already have new job lining up.

They are human shaped so it is easy to forget that those are just putrid parasite in an excrement of a gynocentric society they are only there because diversity hire or some other BS and they wouldn't be so hostile in the first place without unproductive HR scum to back them up their opinion are nothing but regurgitated dogmatic scum and you won't change their mind because there are no mind in there but an excess waste of an internet opinion mold into dogma like a shit smeared on a toilet wall.

Even if you ignore the fact that these societal parasite can land you in jail, would you engage in conversation with smeared shit on a toilet wall ?

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-10-28T10:33:57+00:00

Ignore and engage the source of their power wich is feminism, without it they wouldnt be able to get away with the shit they do, and the good women are the key to defeat feminism because they need to create a new way to adress women rights without the misandry.

aigars2 · 2021-10-28T21:29:13+00:00

Predicting the conversation:

/Facts about misandry and that it exists everywhere and this is misandry/

Incel!

Okay. I just pointed out stuff like a normal inteligent person and I'm a woman

Incel!

Slut! /Banned/

MCAlleycat · 2021-10-28T11:48:00+00:00

You have made an Either Or Fallacy here. In reality there are more options than two. There are more than I’ve listed.

Options: - Ignore Them: this is an unintelligent option in terms of strategic benefit. It means you know less about their strategy, and less about why they do something. You need to know everything they are saying and know the debunk or counterclaim necessary to show it’s invalidity if there is invalidity to the claim. I have proven that there is invalidity to the feminist movement as a whole, and I feel comfortable to be able to not engage with certain types of aggressive people for my own preservation. But by no means am I fully ignoring what they said. - Engage Them: you can identify logical problems with their claims directly and then identify that if they cannot disprove your objectively constructed logical evidence, that they are a bigot. Because a bigot is defined as someone who believes something without reason. If you show them a fact about male mistreatment or something, and logically connect the idea together, and they refuse, they are bigoted. Unfortunately, yeah, they might not believe you. - Publicly Scrutinize: while this might seem like a subcategory of ignorance, it’s not. Because you are acknowledging and responding to the claims, so it is engagement too, but to serve a different purpose. You can show other people in agreement with you about the problems with someone who seemingly will not change, so you can secure a more aware public stance against the faulty position. - Create Policy: learn the behavior, and set up a structural system in your life, like a company, a group, a community, and write policy excluding behaviors of improper premise and/or agendas from that structure and use the misandrist agents as guides to outline behavior that is against the system. Once there is a structure with the potential to grow under the conditions of good values it forces people to use destruction or force to stop you, which means you have the moral high ground. Make the story of things taken away from you public and it will build the case against unreason.

Please PM me for strategic advice if you desire it, as I have studied it.

shortman162cm · 2021-10-28T07:13:59+00:00

we should engage bravely

Vaudeville_Clown · 2021-10-28T09:08:15+00:00

I'll only slightly derail into a related topic...

Thing is, if you go doing your own stuff, you do well to have good women as allies for your own protection.

I'll explain. I've always liked subcultures (hobbies and art) and I've observed this problem for as long as I've lived. Any time a couple of boys and men ignores the mainstream, general culture and status hierarchies that be, and instead choose to fuck off elsewhere on their own to create something new, society, and in particular media, will attack it.

It's attacked because the thing they gather around isn't a part of enforced social orders, state or market, and because it's generally young men doing it of course "How dare they ignore us and do something new on their own!? I don't know why, but it has to be bad!"

It can be anything, a new music scene, an art movement, when LARPing emerged etc. This can always be observed. It doesn't really relent until it's been co-opted by state or market (usually happens a few years down the line when <thing> has grown too big to ignore, or starts to seriously generate economy)

Then, it certainly helps to have a couple of trusted female members among you. These are the ones you usher up in the front when media assholes come by to shit on your thing. Sometimes that kills the smear campaign as they have reservations against throwing girls under the bus. They may then try to A: stroke her ego "You SO fantastic" followed by manipulating towards "Aren't you, as one of few women. horribly victimized by all this men?" but, if she's a good ally she knows they're full of shit, and doesn't shy to tell them so.

Punder_man · 2021-10-28T09:15:29+00:00

I engage and hope that by being as rational as I can I open up the eyes of others to seeing the rampart misandry coming from the feminist movement.

spellsniper · 2021-10-29T05:57:51+00:00

Tell them that they owe men reparations for the 60% or more of ancestral males not present in our dna as a result of women's choices.Its up to you to decide what we are owed.Be bold don't back down continue imposing your will asking for reparations and fair compensation like reservations,free money for men, extra fines towards women etc.

Title	ignore vs engage - talking strategy
Author	rochesterslim
Upvotes	37
Comments	15
Date	October 28, 2021 7:07 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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