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It's called RAPE, why is this so difficult for journalists.

Bletchlypark

August 19, 2017
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Title It's called RAPE, why is this so difficult for journalists.
Author

Bletchlypark

Upvotes 84
Comments 25
Date August 19, 2017 1:43 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6up45p/its_called_rape_why_is_this_so_difficult_for/
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't read it so it might be wrong, but I'm betting the whole article downplays the predatory nature of such perverts, and perpetuates the same "they fall in love", "they're emotionally / psychologically vulnerable women or suffering from past victimization"

Meanwhile of course men who do it are just plain sexual predators who choose "naive young girls" for power

[–]HeForeverBleeds 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here It is. It does start with the "they were abused as children", "they have psychological issue"

However it also addresses the double standard of downplaying women sexually abusing boys and addressed the erection = consent myth and does recognize that the women are manipulating the boys for power

I'm glad; it's a much more condemning of their behavior than I expected by the title

[–]ISOanexplanation 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for link. It's worth mentioning that media articles' authors almost never get to write their own headlines. The dissonance between many stories and their headlines is stark evidence of this.

[–]Imnotmrabut 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FEMALE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN
"While there are reasons why feminists limit discussions on the subject of women abusers, these reasons are valid only to feminism."
Michele Elliott (1994). Female Sexual Abuse of Children. Guilford Press. p. 100. ISBN 978-0-89862-004-7.
Video: Michell Elliott discussing the reality of female peadophiles - Bias, Disbelief and Institutional Failure

[–]casmuff 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We don't want the word to be watered down. It should be reserved for when men look at women the wrong way.

[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not legally rape here, only women can be raped, men can only be sexually assaulted, which covers everything from the "rape" of a male to a woman seeing a dick.

[–]Bletchlypark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Where is here?

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

New Zealand

[–]Bletchlypark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Man and I thought the US was bad.

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more subtle here but the same bullshit applies, we tend to be more easygoing in general so with a little luck it won't become so divisive.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In such cases, it's a matter of journalists simply following their own herd. Nobody does their own research, thinking, or writing any more.

However that is not to say there isn't a valid reason for avoiding the term "rape" in these cases. In most of the cases (not all) that make their way to this sub (often three or four times each for each stage of the legal proceedings... one post is never enough) there is plainly no rape involved. Rather, the law is called rape, in order to get the public behind the prosecution of consensual, enjoyed sex. This is feminist word theft, and it's regrettable that many here have, in these cases alone, hypocritically cheered it.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, every kid should have their first sexual experience with a pervert.

[–]mrwhibbley 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

CAn we be clear in our statements that we are not defending male pedophiles that rape children. We are demanding that females that rape children be held to the same standards.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The title literally says: "It's called RAPE."

There's no ambiguity here.

[+]mrwhibbley -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ambiguity regarding women raping boys. Not ambiguity defending men that rape kids.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody's fucking defending men that rape kids. Take your concern trolling somewhere else.

[–]mrwhibbley -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Relax skeeter. Just pointing something out that it's not clear in some posts I have read. Don't need XX showing up and quote mining to say we think men should be raping kids. You need to calm down. Try some chocolate milk.

[–]Bletchlypark 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

To be clear what I was trying to say is anytime an adult has sex with a child it's rape. The distinction is when men do it the media call it rape which is correct. What is wrong is when a woman does it they call it sex or an affair or a romp.

I think romp was the worst one I've ever seen.

[–]mrwhibbley 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know that you were. It was clear to me. I just wanted other people to be clear in their posts

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

To be clear what I was trying to say is anytime an adult has sex with a child it's rape.

When do you make a distinction between child and teen? 14? 16? 17? 19?

Do you think its rape for a 40 year old to have sex with a 16 year old, because they are legally considered a child, even where its legal? How about where age of consent is 18?Is it now rape because the law for age of consent is higher?

If the law dictates when someone is raped or isn't raped, does that mean that reducing the law to 12 would mean that a 40 year old who has sex with a 12 year old where its legal would no longer constitute rape?

[–]Bletchlypark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Probably about 17-18 but I would consult your local laws.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You seem to have ignored nearly all the questions and the point.

If you gauge childhood vs adulthood by age of majority, then someone is being raped if they're a 17 year old 'child' having completely legal sex with someone, and you believe a someone having sex with a child is raping them.

If you gauge C vs A by AoC, then someone is being raped in florida or nevada, while someone the exact same age is not being raped in nevada or the UK, if the age of the individuals involved are 16.

Rape certainly should be seen as something deadly serious, yet one state or country allows raping to legally occur by having the AoC too low compared to 2 U.S. states? Or is it that the 2 U.S. states claim something is rape when it isn't?

let me reiterate: if you have sex with a 16 year old in nevada, its all cool and fine, and not rape, but if you have rape in florida, it is rape, just because of the age of consent variation? It doesn't sound like "rape" is that serious if a person of the exact same age can live in schrodinger's box of whether they're a traumatized victim or not purely based on state lines.

One would think that if sex with 16 year olds is so harmful as to be considered rape, it'd be illegal everywhere.

But I don't see you demanding that this crime against humanity of allowing 16 year olds to be 'legally raped' be fixed by the federal government.

If a 16 year old isn't being raped in Nevada, How are they being raped in Florida just because of a law? A law does not change the interactions between two people. It criminalizes a consenting activity, but it doesn't change the brains of the people involved. And that's what RAPE is actually about. People's brains. Trauma. Experiences that fuck them up. The Age of Consent law cannot magically make some 16 year olds fucked up by sex in Florida, while keeping them froim being fucked up in Nevada.

If they're getting fucked up by sex at 16, then Nevada is allowing rape. If they're not getting fucked up, then Florida's AoC is too high and criminalizing consenting activity which isn't harming anyone.


So I ask once again, when is someone a 'child who is getting raped when someone has sex with them'? 14? 16? 17? 18?

Don't use the appeal to law by saying "cause age of consent tells us", because as I've already shown you, age of consent varies and thus it is nonsensical to claim two people of identical ages are and aren't victims of rape simply by law.

That's as nonsensical as the argument that a single woman is a victim of rape by a forceful sex attack but a married woman isn't a victim of rape by a forceful sex attack because the law used to say so until the 1990's, if its her husband who did it. It is also as nonsensical as saying a 9 year old in the U.S. is a victim of rape because the laws say so, but isn't a victim of rape in the middle east where 9 years old is legal if they're married to someone.

I highly doubt you'd call it 'not rape' for the 9 year old in the middle east, despite it being legal there. It therefore seems you have a pretty good idea of what constitutes rape, but you're passing the buck by saying "look at age of consent laws within your state".

Either a person is a victim or they aren't, regardless of the law.

[–]Bletchlypark 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I stand by my answer, if it's a 40 year old in question I think an appropriate age of consent would be about 17-18. Let's just call it 18 for simplicity.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that wasn't your answer, but lets go with this. In other words, Nevada and the UK are allowing 40 year olds to legally rape 16 year olds? Since you said that 17-18 is the proper age, and Nevada and UK violate this, and you consider under that point to be too young and rape, then people are legally getting raped by 40 year olds at 16?

I'd think you'd be making a huge fucking deal out of this rape atrocity.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CAn we be clear in our statements that we are not defending male pedophiles that rape children.

I spent a decade as a representative in a big rape crisis service. One of the first things I did was demand an end to this sort of mea culpa that was always expected of males, even those who are victims.

It's degrading and unnecessary.

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