Man Tricks Girlfriend Into Getting Abortion (curious about MRA opinions)

NeuroticIntrovert · 2013-05-18T08:03:14+00:00

It's poisoning, assault, a violation of a person's bodily integrity. It is a crime, and it should be a crime.

However, a man who has conceived a child he does not want to support, should have options. Once conception happens, he doesn't have any.

Abortion? Her choice.

Adoption? Her choice.

Sole custody for the mother? With the way family courts work, almost always her choice.

Child support from the father? Her choice.

A potential father should have the option of what's often called a "financial abortion;" within a certain time of being informed that he is the alleged father of a child, he should be allowed to go down to the courthouse, sign some documents, and thereby lose both his rights and responsibilities in regards to the child.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2013-05-18T10:46:40+00:00

If this is murder so is abortion of otherwise viable fetus.

AceyJuan · 2013-05-18T08:37:05+00:00

It's a terrible event. The law shouldn't put men in such a shitty situation, where they're on the hook for life against their will.

Pro-choice applies to both genders, thanks.

GrimB0LD · 2013-05-18T07:58:23+00:00

I think it's a disgusting thing to do.

Phuzzums · 2013-05-18T08:20:17+00:00

Pretty sick thing to do, but not sure how it can be classified as first-degree murder. Definitely a charge equivalent to what would be given for poisoning someone and causing bodily harm for sure, and likely the maximum allowable sentence for it given the circumstances, would match the crime.

If they do end up classifying it as first degree murder they sent a scary precedent that killing a fetus is murder. To be clear, I'm not concerned about this sicko being charged for first degree murder, I'm concerned about a woman who gets an abortion having this precedent used against her in the future.

ZimbaZumba · 2013-05-18T13:47:25+00:00

This case really shows us how fragile our system of morality on reproductive issues are.

There is no doubt he has committed a serious crime, but what crime? Definitely poisoning, but claiming murder opens a rats nest of legal problems. The whole basis of abortion laws is that a fetus is not a human.

What about damages for the emotional trauma of losing a child? This is a difficult one as she could have similarly deprived him of fatherhood quite legally through abortion.

There will never be a satisfactory and consistent morality for reproduction. The socially most dominant group declares a set of moral absolutes and we work from there. Inevitably this leads to contradictions. We look back in horror at attitudes of 100yrs ago and in 100 years they will look back in horror at us. We seek moral certainty, it will never happen on this issue due to competing interests.

2013-05-19T02:43:04+00:00

He didn't trick his girlfriend into getting an abortion. He drugged her without her consent, and the result was an aborted fetus.

babycarrotman · 2013-05-18T15:39:32+00:00

Without condoning or condemning, I understand.

DavidByron · 2013-05-20T00:21:52+00:00

Lee is suing Welden for battery, intentional infliction of emotional harm, and punitive damages

Well I can see the first one, but it seems like if the others are allowed couldn't any man sue any girlfriend who chooses to have an abortion fpr the "emotional harm"? and "punitive damages"?

Disorderly-Conduct · 2013-05-18T20:28:28+00:00

Aside from the dangerous side-effects, I have zero sympathy for her. Not a popular opinion, and still unethical, but there it is.

I love how in the comments suddenly fetuses become unborn children who deserve the right to live again when it's the father who wants to get rid of it. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

oied · 2013-05-18T07:26:41+00:00

i would put it on the same level as a women getting an abortion without the mans consent/despite his disagreement

Title	Man Tricks Girlfriend Into Getting Abortion (curious about MRA opinions)
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Date	May 18, 2013 7:23 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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