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MRA issues are getting attention in /r/AdviceAnimals where women are being held to the same social standards as men.

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December 28, 2013

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Title	MRA issues are getting attention in /r/AdviceAnimals where women are being held to the same social standards as men.
Author	MRAreddit1
Upvotes	36
Comments	55
Date	December 28, 2013 9:35 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1twe6b/mra_issues_are_getting_attention_in/
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[–]Cid420 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The accusation of "misogyny" is an issue.

I agree, but the mods don't seem to give a fuck so what are ya gonna' do?

This whole forum is accused by many many feminist of being misogynistic. I understand what you say but feminist have labeled mens rights misogynistic.

Well what do you expect? Half the posts here are "omg look, women can be evil too!". It's incredibly easy to point to that garbage and say "see they hate women!" when half the content looks anti-women when you're unaware of why it's being posted. We've essentially twisted pointing out how evil women, and feminists alike, can be into somehow being considered men's rights issues worthy of being in this sub, instead of making/using another sub for that shit so we can stay on point here. It's this subs biggest downfall.

The label in itself is a barrier keeping men in their fox holes and scaring them away from involving themselves and sharing their thoughts on mens rights.

Yeah ima go out on a limb and assume it's not this simple.

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Go "out on a limb".. with the vast majority of people who are already indoctrinated into "gender studies". There isn't anything to be questioned here .. "move along". You can assume as much as you like none can stop you from doing that. Sides that's what feminism does regarding human nature anyway. So you will find yourself in good company failing at the scientific method. All theories are sit on hypothesis that are based on assumptions that may or may not be correct. The primary assumption that feminism makes is that human nature is a blank slate.

What do I expect?.. from a creed that is supposed to represent humanity in a egalitarian manner that is representative of humans and a system that treats people equally as opposed to insisting on equal outcomes regardless of human actions? I expect more from feminism then sexism, bigotry, misandry, abuse, neglect.. on and on feminism has done absolutely nothing.. not one fucking thing for men. So there you have it.. Edit: Whatever has feminism done for men?

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Not necessarily you, but the fact you think it is some fox hole scheme made me think you were one of those MRAs who don't understand why feminists would think MRAs around here are truly misogynist. And now that you added more paranoid feminist schemes of autism (in children, I assume), you needn't wonder why feminists think MRAs are misogynist and the rest of the world thinks your crazed conspiracy theoriets.

What next, are you going to blame feminists for climate change? For massive storms destroying homes and killing people? The Fukushima disaster? Unemployment? Wars? Suicide attacks? Meteorites hitting Russia? The Twin Towers, bldg 7 and the Pentagon getting blasted?

How's this for a conspiracy - all that's going wrong in the world since 911 is staged by a shadow government, which some call the Illuminati, pushing for a New World Order. It's most likely run by the wealthy elite, none of which I know to be feminists or women. They're trying to dumb down everyone with mind altering vaccines and contaminated food, especially the children, so future generations are more controllable. That's part of the reason republicans (their favorite puppets) don't want Obamacare to go through. That's why Mitt Romney wanted to close down healthcare facilities, at the same time expects women to reproduce like rabbits.

This 'shadow gov' doesn't give a shit about feminism or women, anymore than Hitler did is why he returned Germany to a patriarchal state. They don't care about anyone but themselves. They'll send young Americans to die for them so they don't have to send their own children. So you needn't bitch about the draft anytime in the future.

How's that for a conspiracy?

If I had to choose, I'd buy into that before I bought into your paranoid, misogynist belief that women are the ones destroying everything around us, not men. Really now, that's just pathetic. Since many of you MRAs claim that men built everything, well then sit on your accompliments and take the bad with the good for once in your lives.

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conspiracy? lol.. the reference was actually a feminist that while trying to defend men in some way. Suggested we were all autistic. Which I found relatively appealing. She said that is why we really excel or really fail academically. I do admit the reference to autism was a bit cryptic. The fact that the education system is now almost completely dominated from a staffing perspective with women studied liberal arts based BEDs no doubt jam packed full of feminist propaganda and reduced male over all in staffing and as students would suggest it's time for feminist to actually do something for men. It isn't a fucking conspiracy it's an observation of the way things are.

Watch this presentation.

A presentation by Dr. James S. Brown, author, educator and equality consultant, at the University of Toronto on November 14, 2013

Edit:This is the actual presentation.. first link was an error. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHNv7i1s_HQ

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So.. apex fallacy. Some men are in positions of power so there for all other men must also be. Discriminate against all of them is the remedy? None argue that rape isn't serious. Clearly judging by the sentences men receive from a charge of rape it is taken very seriously. False rape claims need to be taken seriously as well because not only do they put innocent people in the sights of law enforcement and society they also cheapen real assaults.

IDK why you are dredging up rape hysteria atm other than to box me in here with some game but your subject change won't have that effect anyhow. re: bait and switch. The lack of male role models for young men in education is the issue. Now feminists did what they could for young women in the past by selectively choosing to higher women over men that were potentially better qualified even. So young women would have gender representation in education, a corner stone of social work. Most certainly in that one profession alone the numbers of men being discriminated against is more than all the missing female ceo’s and politicians put together.

As for politics. Women account for the larger percentage of voters. There is no barriers to women being able to run.

Corporations are biased for men because they tend to not suddenly decide they are going to settle down and have a baby.etc.. Further men do put in more hours overall then women. But we can see feminists are forcing private corporations to take on a min number of female corporate positions.

You see you don't understand equality. You insist on equal outcomes and in order to manage that you unabashedly discriminate against an entire gender because less than one percent of them are in real positions of power. Talk about delusional.

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You pretty much justified my point. You have men high up in power, down to reddit users, who think women have too many rights as is.

You're attempting to paint a picture of me that isn't true first and foremost. I did nothing to justify anything.

Hundreds of reddit MR users, spamming the Occidental College online anonymous report form, is men standing up for themselves?

Yes it is, in your comment you're leaving out a lot of interesting facts. Isn't it interesting that a "rights group" that supports a class of people even when they make false reports are now complaining about false reports? Doesn't it strike you as odd that a report alone is enough to get a man thrown under a microscope in which he has no right to due process? -and any processes he gets is automatically bias right off the get go.

In some places when you sign up for college you sign away your rights to have an court hearing, your only hope is defending yourself to a student body that isn't trained for that sort of thing. This is also ignoring the fact that even in the real world just an accusation alone has put men in prison for decades.

Feminists declare up and down that women don't lie about rape yet it's it's been proven time and time again that they in fact they do about half the time. Let's say there was a system in places like this for men, they accuse a woman without coming forward; thus denying them their legal right to face their accuser; at which point they are shoved in front of a group of students who have been conditioned to hate them and even worse they don't need a shred of proof to kick her out which they do more often than not-

You would fight back too.

So misogynist republicans attacking women's reproductive rights is men standing up for themselves?

There you go using that word again.

You wanna talk about reproductive rights? Ok, fine. What rights does a man have? If he wants his baby and the mother doesn't she can murder his child and there's nothing he can do about it legally, meanwhile if he doesn't and she does; he's on the hook for child support. His only legal choice is to flee the country.

You're painting this in the worst way possible because you don't want for a second to think about the other side of the issue. It's like it doesn't even occur to you that some men might actually want to be fathers. To you because a man protests his right to have his child without being murdered by the mother he is somehow attacking her rights and that's simply not true. That's just the cover used to disguise your bigotry.

What rights were the violent misandrists defending when they attacked the police and lecture goers at UoT?

[+]Anorra -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Feminists declare up and down that women don't lie about rape yet it's it's been proven time and time again that they in fact they do about half the time.

You think women lie about rape 50% of the time? Really? Do you have the stats to prove it? I'm just not going to buy into that, sounds extremely distrusting of women. But I think somehow you believe it because you think that justified the OC spamming.

What you don't understand is that the court and police system is broken down most everywhere in America. Women don't always report a rape because the guy might just get a week sentence in jail, come back and kill her. Los Angeles is known for it's crowded prisons, and the system will sometimes use the excuse that the prisons are crowded is why they let the perps out. Or he just bought his way out. Judges don't care about anyone, female or male, all they care about is filling the treasury and satisfying republicans. And we all know republicans don't give a shit about women.

You wanna talk about reproductive rights? Ok, fine. What rights does a man have? If he wants his baby and the mother doesn't she can murder his child and there's nothing he can do about it legally

Let me get this straight: if you want a child, yet a woman aborts your unborn, it's murder? Yet if you don't want the child, and still she aborts, it's just whew! thank god that bitch killed that little money leecher. I do not want to be anyones father!

All jokes aside, I find it ironic MRAs keep pushing that counter argument because if fails to take in your accountability, which is use better judgment when having sex. Don't screw women you don't know or trust so you won't end up in a child support case.

I'll also bring up how thunderfoot slut shames women who dress slutty, get drunk and then raped (of which many anti-feminists agree with him). Yet if he's going to do that, than what about men who have sex with strange women and end up knocking them up? Where is the accountability in that scenario? Or do you think guys should have a free pass to release wherever they want without consequences?

What rights were the violent misandrists defending when they attacked the police and lecture goers at UoT?

I guess they don't like Warren Ferrel because he comes across as a pedo. I don't know, I wasn't there.

[–]Crimson_D82 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

You think women lie about rape 50% of the time? Really? Do you have the stats to prove it?

http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php

What you don't understand is that the court and police system is broken down most everywhere in America.

Oh really? You think I don't know that? I've read story after story about women who rape boys and walk away with a slap on the wrist despite shit storms of proof and yet men go to prison for decades based on a accusation. Despite lack of proof or proof they had nothing to do with it.

Women don't always report a rape because the guy might just get a week sentence in jail, come back and kill her.

Uh huh, unlike the women who get NO SENTENCE at all. (see above) I'd like to see some sources for that. Even then infinitely more women walk free than men and even then the men are getting a sentence where women often get NONE.

I guess they don't like Warren Ferrel because he comes across as a pedo. I don't know, I wasn't there.

I'd ask you to explain that answer but it would just more pointless shaming and bashing.

Let me get this straight: if you want a child, yet a woman aborts your unborn, it's murder? Yet if you don't want the child, and still she aborts, it's just whew! thank god that bitch killed that little money leecher. I do not want to be anyones father!

If neither of them wants the child, it's still murder. Once again you're attempting to me paint me as something hateful. Otherwise you wouldn't know to engage me.

All jokes aside, I find it ironic MRAs keep pushing that counter argument because if fails to take in your accountability, which is use better judgment when having sex. Don't screw women you don't know or trust so you won't end up in a child support case.

I find it ironic feminists keep pushing that argument because if fails to take in your accountability, which is use better judgment when having sex. Don't screw men you don't know or trust so you won't end up pregnant in the first place. Since women have more and cheaper birth control options.

I'll also bring up how thunderfoot slut shames women who dress slutty, get drunk and then raped (of which many anti-feminists agree with him). Yet if he's going to do that, than what about men who have sex with strange women and end up knocking them up? Where is the accountability in that scenario? Or do you think guys should have a free pass to release wherever they want without consequences?

Oh goodie, loaded questions. The blame clearly lies with them both. Also, where's the accountability of these drunk women who get raped BECAUSE they drank too much? Why do they get a pass when it's their own behavior that enabled the crime in the first place?

That's like letting a drunk driver go after they slide into a family of four killing them all.

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There's no way to prove the RADAR reports.

The rest of what you contested wasn't worth answering because it was mere ranting.

As for warren ferrel, I hear only assumptions and heresay. I have heard that feminists are concern that MRAs will be more likely to rape because of the male birth control pill. And rape stats are already high enough as is from males towards women. That is my guess as to what their concern is.

As for abortion, it's not murder because the definition of murder is 'unlawful killing'. Terminating a pregnancy is not unlawful...least it's not supposed to be under Roe v Wade.

As for your male reproductive rights, I'm not contesting reason. I'm simply pointing out that a judge is not going to buy the fact you failed to put on a condom just as a woman failed to take the morning after pill. The whole whining thunderfoot/mra of accountability is bullshit. Both individuals are at fault. Don't have sex without a condon, don't rish catching STDs.... what is so difficult about that to understand?

I'm guessing a swarm of MRAs just won't ever get it. They love the self-priileged thought of having unprotected sex with gorgeous girls they just met and not having to deal with baby consequences. Well all I can say to you is this.... grow the fuck up, losers!!!

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I don't think you were trying to be funny, you were being offensive. But the issues you complain about aren't going to be fixed by avfm or MRA reddits because the whole western world distrust you after your spamming gig. Paul Elam, johntheother & Dean Esmay support the spamming, and said they'd even do it themselves next time.

So do you think future school administrations, or any other admin, are going to welcome debates from them around a conference table with hand shakes and coffee to discuss a better future for men?

I just don't see that happening. Occidental is in Los Angeles, California. What happens in LA gets around quickly to the rest of the nation. It's not some hillbilly, isolated city which no one cares about. It's a massive metropolitan with a lot of influence. So maybe you guys should've checked your location before spamming the site, if not reading the form itself. If avfm are truly 'human rights activists' they would've pressured the authorities to take those women seriously who were reporting rape allegations. But as it is, they don't trust women. So how can they be a human rights group?

Obviously, they're not. And neither is crimson and neither are you. You cannot be for human rights while ignoring or pretending women aren't ever oppressed. Undermining women's safety is what fanatical MRAs do. Maybe this is why Earl Silverman wasn't taken seriously. If you wonder why MRAs aren't going to be taken seriously in the future is because of childish spamming like in OC.

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Now if you're going to rebuttal with more 50% false rape allegations nonsense as part of your justification you can save it.

Says the person who can't refute the source.

Feminism is as fraudulent as you claim MAR's to be. The difference is that feminists argue from an emotional stand point where MRAs bring facts from studies conducted outside the feminist controlled academia.

You're probably one of those lunatics who spammed the Occidental College since you agree with the spamming. That's how deranged and lost you are. A number of MRAs didn't agree with that childish ploy. Women aren't being heard when actually reporting sexual violence in that college is why that site was put up. Did you even read it?

Nope. I did not participate, however men are being heard when it comes to rape even less. They aren't even being taken seriously. Same in the military, meanwhile false accusations are ruining innocent men's careers, not that you seem to care. Hope you enjoyed throwing those false accusations at me.

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