Not enough falsely accused "to worry about" . . . . Seriously?

kragshot · 2012-07-24T21:01:54+00:00

Here is the thing you have to realize about many false accusations; it is not in the best interests of most law enforcement agencies to buy into the idea of "false accusations." Appointments/votes and funding for county/municipal/state law enforcement groups are often determined by their arrest/conviction records. The same goes for judges and district attorneys.

How many times have you seen a political ad that either applauds a DA or sheriffs candidate for being "hard" on a given type of offense or criticizes another for being "soft" on crime? The crimes of rape and sexual assault are very emotionally-driven crimes that often generate a high degree of fear within the women in the given area. This in turn agitates everyone in that area and drives the municipal government via law enforcement to quickly find a perpetrator so they can quell that unrest within the population.

Once a given criminal system has a person that "they want for" a given crime, all of their efforts are focused on making the accusation stick. Finding out that the evidence excludes that person from having committed the alleged crime is an afterthought. All that they want is to close the case and log a conviction.

The most public example of such behavior by law enforcement and judiciary officials is the activities of Mike Nifong with the Duke Lacrosse team rape case. Nifong ignored and misrepresented evidence that would have clearly established and supported the consensual nature of the sexual encounter with Mangum. Eventually the case was thrown out and charges were dismissed due to Nifong's "tragic rush to accuse."

"Force multipliers" that would reinforce a rape accusation are the age of the victim and the racial identities of the alleged victim and the accused. An adult male accused of rape by a minor female is going to have a far harder time establishing his innocence due to the emotional and social impact of the accusation. The same applies to an African American male accused by a white female. These factors will often take a case that is circumstantial and turn it into a landslide conviction based upon emotional factors and prejudice alone.

So with all of the above being figured into the situation, it leads you to ask one simple question; is the 4% figure simply evidence of the rarity of false accusations or is it an indicator of how few men who are falsely accused can successfully get out from under such a horrible situation?

oneiorosgrip · 2012-07-24T20:50:53+00:00

What I would say here, I've all ready said (along with several other points about false allegations) here.

The part of that which is relevant to this discussion:

There is the assertion that false allegations are not a big deal because their occurrence is rare. This is contradicted by existing factors within their own community. Victim advocacy on the topic of rape calls for treatment of allegations as credible without doubt, including when there is not sufficient evidence to support that. Even lack of conviction is not viewed as vindication of the accused, but as an instance of the perpetrator getting away with the crime. The assertion of rarity, based on loyalty to the concept that female accusers must not be doubted, is circular reasoning - a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with. (Because we are not allowed to doubt the credibility of alleged rape victims, it must be accepted that false allegations occur only in the rarest of circumstances, when evidence against the accusation is overwhelming.)

Broadening of the definition of rape to include incidents in which the alleged victim was not averse to the interaction until after the fact has further muddied the water, by creating a conflict between what feminists consider rape, and what rape actually is (and is considered to be by the law.) This manner of twisting the definition turns sex into a form of entrapment in which the woman may withdraw consent after the event. The fact that the man involved did not force the encounter by any means does not deter radical feminists from applying the label "rape." This leads to filing of allegations which get tossed out or struck down because the accuser was never actually victimized. These cases, in turn build an area of disagreement, in which the term rape has been falsely applied to sexual encounters in a way supported by feminist ideology. That disparity in viewpoint is the key to a lot of feminist dismissal of the falsely accused.

Basing the assertion of rarity, in any part, on loyalty concepts like regret as evidence of rape, and guilt until innocence is proven, is an act of begging the question, or basing one's belief on a false premise which one has accepted to be true. (The allegation cannot be false because the woman feels raped, or because the man must be perceived as a rapist.)

Still, just for a moment, let's accept that assertion as true. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that only one in a hundred allegations actually turns out to be false. How does that make the act of falsely accusing any less wrong, any less serious, or any less harmful to the victim, the falsely accused? Does he suffer less because of the rarity of his plight? Does the "fact" that other accusers are honest reduce the damage done to this victim's life? How about we apply this to rape. If we get the occurrence of rape down to 1 in 100 women, can we just let it go and not prosecute the perpetrator in that one, simply because the crime is rare? If it doesn't happen often, then it doesn't merit much attention, right?

How is this an accurate or honest way to measure the severity, seriousness, or wrongness of any crime? Applying the rarity-as-an-excuse standard, misdemeanors such as moving violations while driving (running a stop sign, speeding, improper lane change,) which are committed with greater frequency than any assault, should be taken much more seriously, discussed at length, and subject to greater legal consequences than say, anything as comparatively rare as rape. When played out to such an obvious extreme, the concept that rarity excuses the behavior is exposed in its lack of logic.

Edit: fixed link

billywms · 2012-07-24T21:15:24+00:00

So long as false reports exist, no matter how common or rare, there will ALWAYS be a reason to worry about them. Great job guys.

eberkimer · 2012-07-24T19:35:11+00:00

Pierce,

You and I have seen it too many times, that unless the "victim" is a woman, then they aren't really important. Lisek's research started with an ideological goal, and he met it. He accomplished exactly what he wanted to. The fact that false accusations of rape/sexual harrasment are mainly leveled at men, means that it isn't an important issue (at least to those who have a vested financial interest in minimizing the issue).

If the situation was looked at objectively, instead of through the propagandized garbage that is presented currently, the cash flow would stop, and a lot of these people would be on the street begging. It's disgusting.

omegaedgexiii · 2012-07-24T16:44:33+00:00

That's just like saying "About 1.5% of deaths are due to suicide. That's not enough for us to worry about people killing themselves."

cpmnriley · 2012-07-25T06:48:50+00:00

the girl who posted the "4% isn't big enough to worry about" in the first place? i know her, and went to the same school as her. she did her high school "dissertation" of sorts on sex-positive feminism. i worked on it with her. she was largely unprepared for her final, half-hour presentation.

i should not be this mean, and i apologize. but the negativity of this woman is something i have been trying to avoid since i took her out of my life. and now what happens? she manages to royally piss off a community i consider myself a part of.

i just wanted to vent about how weird this is for me. but no, she is not a very reliable source for this business anyway, factually (4%), or morally (not big enough to worry about).

thanks for listening.

Title	Not enough falsely accused "to worry about" . . . . Seriously?
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	48
Comments	9
Date	July 24, 2012 1:50 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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