Objective "feminist"

miketrance · 2021-03-09T23:59:39+00:00

There is a better word for what you’re describing. It’s called an egalitarian. Feminism right in the definition says equal rights FOR WOMEN. Egalitarianism is equality of opportunity for everyone.

maxlvb · 2021-03-10T03:11:21+00:00

You may want to read this:

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

Karen Straughan

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg

iainmf · 2021-03-10T10:55:21+00:00

I just want you all to know that there are women out there like myself that actually have good intentions and truly just want equal rights, not special treatment.

I think most people here recognize that. After all, some of the most prominent and influential MRAs are women.

Not quite sure if this is just a place that angry men come to bitch about women or if you all truly have good intentions

We do allow a bit of venting here. I don't think being angry at being treated badly indicates bad intentions.

if y'all ever want an objective female perspective

It is always good to have a range of perspectives. I am a little hesitant to think that your perspective is objective, rather than subjective just like everyone else.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-03-10T12:59:52+00:00

If you want equal rights stop identifying yoruself as ''feminist''.
Instead identify as ''egalitarian''.
Otherwise what you say is just empty words without meaning.

CyclopeWarrior · 2021-03-11T16:32:33+00:00

Oh hey look, another visit from the "different feminist" who proceeds to:

Blindly repeat feminist propaganda

Claim people don't know her or her beliefs right after repeating feminist propaganda

Ignores any data and facts presented to her

Stomps out angry when no one immediately agrees with her.

It's nice that live examples come visit once in a while

tenchineuro · 2021-03-12T18:34:03+00:00

Edit: So unfortunately, after reading some of your responses, I've realized that lots of the guys on this sub are just as bad as the feminazis and genuinely hate all women.

MRAs are typically anti-feminist, not anti-woman. You have declared yourself a feminist.

Guess this isn't the sub for me either...

If you want a safe echo chamber in which to bitch about men try r/ feminism, or maybe r/ menslib would be more to your liking.

Honestly makes me really depressed that so many people out there are so immature and can't hear a different perspective.

Utter bullshit, men get fed the feminist perspective every waking moment in the news (broadcast, internet, whatever), in almost every school or university program, at work, in entertainment forums, in the movies, it's absolutely everywhere. You don't have a different perspective, you believe that women are oppressed and that more needs to be done about woman's issues regardless of how bad men have it. You are totally ignorant of even the most obvious men's issues and I don't think anything posted here will filter it's way to your consciousness.

Xon999 · 2021-03-09T23:53:24+00:00

Cool I guess.

Ody_ssey · 2021-03-10T04:54:33+00:00

You are rare. Radical feminism is the mainstream feminism now and they have political power over men and women.

-EmmiD · 2021-03-16T21:27:22+00:00

Sorry to hear you've had unfortunate encounters in here. In any movement, there will be disagreeable people.

I would like to ask you the following though:

What makes you think that feminism stands for equality, when there is no unified feminism but more than 40 official phalanxes, and when even the most benign feminist associations out there in positions of power or controlling resources never aspire to anything more than "equality as long as it doesn't come at the cost of females" (which is then used to block initiatives for males because of it requiring resources from the same pool)?
What do you think are the major women's/girls'-issues today?
How do you feel about Erin Pizzey?
Do you ever look up the specific academic sources and/or bonafide statistics for your claims when defending feminism?

Title	Objective "feminist"
Author	-EmmiD
Upvotes	4
Comments	63
Date	March 9, 2021 11:47 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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