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Paternity Fraud

AdhesivenessEven7287

October 28, 2022
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Title Paternity Fraud
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AdhesivenessEven7287

Upvotes 83
Comments 30
Date October 28, 2022 2:54 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/yfqc4m/paternity_fraud/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/paternity-fraud.1137568
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Comments

[–]CawlinAlcarz 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

Let's face it, women who commit paternity fraud ALWAYS KNOW that there is AT LEAST some chance they are committing fraud, if they aren't 100% certain they are committing fraud.

If a woman is such a total piece of shit scumbag asshole that she is willing to steal money from a man she knows isn't the father of her child, what makes you think she'd have any remorse about letting him rot in jail for non-payment?

This is another example of what MRAs mean when they talk about female solipsism. In these cases, the suffering they create for men isn't real because it isn't happening to them.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I look at people who commit paternity fraud the same as a rapist. Fuck them.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Aside from wanting some clarity on what you mean by the term "rapist", I would generally agree.

Here's the kicker though - you might be shocked how frequently state governments (not just in the US) are complicit in the fraud.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Well most men who are roped into paternity fraud would never consent to staying with/having sex with there gf/fiance/wife if they were pregnant by another man. Every act of sex after the lie is sexual assault in my opinion.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I think there is likely to be merit in your assertion that it is sexual assault, though I am not clear enough on what the law defines as sexual assault when it is the man lying (about using a condom, about being infertile, about having an STD, etc.).

Conceptually though, there ought to be legal consequences for knowingly lying about this sort of thing, or even about lying about the possibility of it.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If you lie about a vasectomy, a condom, about being infertile all means a woman can't give consent because you lied.

We need to hold women to that same standard.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So is that upheld in law? I'm not challenging you, I just want to know. Are there examples of court judgements showing that the law views these sorts of lies as assault?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No examples yet but it's starting to gain traction in political circles now both with democrats and Republicans. Progess.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah sorry, I wasn't clear... I was asking for examples of when the courts have said that due to the lies of the man (about the condom/vasectomy/STD, etc.) that the woman was legally unable to give consent, and therefore theman was guilty of SA.

My point being that if such a thing is upheld by courts, then it could potentially be argued that under the law, lying about paternity could also be viewed the same way.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.yourtango.com/self/man-charged-rape-removing-condom-during-consensual-sex

It's called stealthing

[–][deleted] 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CawlinAlcarz 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're a horrible person and you should set an example to your children by bleeding out in front of them, courtesy of your own firearm

Do what now?

[–][deleted] 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CawlinAlcarz3 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well, I guess that's the end of that.

[–]Fearless-Capital-3962 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That troll already deleted their account.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In france men arent even allowed to DNA test there children to protect the "family" unit. Maybe that's why men in france have been revolting for a few years along with other reasons

[–]CawlinAlcarz 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Right on, yep. Well, as I typed my above comment, I was thinking SPECIFICALLY about France and what you mentioned. So I will amend my statement slightly - YOU in particular might not be surprised at how often the state is complicit in the fraud, but many would be.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

States actively positions a womans sexual mating strategies at the expense of a mans.

The fact women can lie about a father is fucking insane. Also why courts fight against mandatory DNA tests for newborns so someone doesn't get screwed over

[–]CawlinAlcarz 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, it's all about Title IV-D of the social security act.

This particular addition to the law has done more to erode the nuclear family than LBJ's welfare expansion did in the 1960s - and that's saying something.

[–]WingsofSky 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Them/other women. I've said it before. Gotten banned for saying that "women tend to care about their own and men don't matter".

Evil sexist mods like banning and protecting "women". When they are in the wrong.

[–]el_jefe1978 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always think, well the mom clearly doesn't care about the man, but what about the child/children? Why do they not get to know their real father. How is that "In the best interest" of the child/children? I've yet to hear anyone speak on that issue.

[–]equalRights111 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The laws that really bother me are in France. I’ve heard it’s illegal or inadmissible to do dna tests etc. what purpose does that serve? Surely the test reveals the truth, why are they so afraid of that?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's putting a woman above men

[–]Fearless-File-3625 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Germany too

[–]Alive_Tough9928 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wonder if she was prosecuted

[–]mimiczx 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything awful.

[–]Hound_of_Hell 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woment

[–]_Denzo 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Something I’ve noticed from cases I’ve seen anyway is that when someone who’s not the father is paying child support is that most of the time the money isn’t even going to the child

[–]MicrosoftOSX2 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

When law leaves a convenient backdoor to help good people cuz "just in case"
bad people flock to abuse it...

[–]RoMaNuL_23 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he should sue them for 20kk

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