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Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart?

mankindglobalmedia

June 3, 2015

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Title	Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart?
Author	mankindglobalmedia
Upvotes	75
Comments	40
Date	June 3, 2015 9:32 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/38ci0q/why_do_highprofile_campus_rape_stories_keep/
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[–]TRPACC 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

[–]Kingpink2 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a good answer. The reasonable estimates for false accusations are in the 40 -60% range. If the just selected at random, half of the high publicity accusations would be true.

It is because controversial cases are what make it into the media. Had "Jackie" actually been raped at the fraternity as she claimed and reported it to the police, the men involved would have been arrested within days and convicted within a month. If her story was true then there would have been mountains of forensic evidence that prove what happened even without her testimony. The story of "Rapists went to prison" wouldn't have garnered much media attention.

Then stories like Mattress girl are at best murky. There is lots of reason to believe her and lots of reason to disbelieve her. This actually having two sides to the story generated the talk that lead to media attention that lead to more talk leading to more media attention.

The reality isn't that false accusations are as common as it would seem looking at the media (nearly 100% in the past 12 months), but that the media focuses on cases of false accusations/edge cases as click bait.

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[–]paashpointo 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Things can be contentious without good or rational reasons for them to be. The only reason I saw to believe her story, as it first printed was because we were offered zero exculpitory information. The event itslef seems pretty clear. For whatever reason she lied from front to back about almost every possible thing she could lie about.

Trayvon vs George Zimmerman, there is a good example of an actual case where there are "lots of reasons to believe" each side has a valid case, even those that feel george zimmerman was innocent acknowledge he probably should have decided to stay in his vehicle. And even those that feel trayvon was mostly the victim acknowledge he should have stayed at his dads house after arriving instead of going back out for whatever reason he decided.

Witnesses other than trayvon and george, have george on top or on bottom. Witnesses have george screaming or trayvon screaming help. etc.

In this case, we have her claim, and almost every piece of evidence goes against her claim to the extent it possibly could.

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[–]paashpointo1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So 2 people trying to discuss something on a message board is why it made national news? You made a statement of which I agreed by and large. I asked for some clarifying information based on one of your remarks, which you dogded admittedly 4 times already, and that helps your case? It must be right to have no matter what you do confirm your point.

If you would have provided evidence, that would have confirmed your point. The fact that you didnt and I kept asing for it. Just asking for the evidence confirms that this should be a story?

The only reason this story should be famous was because of how willing america is to believe every claim of rape, all the while claiming there is this culture of rape and no matter how many times these sorts of things fall apart we still pretend that all men are evil rapists and all women are incapable of making 1 single rational thought if they have smelled alcohol in the last month.

And just to be clear, if you arent going to "waste your time or mine defending the accusation....." then you probably shouldnt make statements like "LOTS OF REASONS TO BELIEVE", because you just might be asked to defend that statement. That was your statement. There can be lots of reasons to believe something, such as trayvon or george zimmerman, and still respectfully disagree about the conclusion. I have my own opinion on that event, but I acknowledge the other side in fact does have lots of reasons to believe their side has merit. This case once looked at with any neutral lens appears to have no or minimal reason to believe any form of sexual assault occurs, not just "not enough evidence to prosecute".

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]paashpointo1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Look, I am not after word games. The other perosn listed some reasons, and i acknowledged them. You have refused to. Dont act like I am asking you to provide some sort of evidence to something you didnt claim. the reasons might not outweigh the other side, and I am fine with that, I wanted to know from a neutral perspective what were the lots of good reasons.

(the other guy listed previous sexual assault reports as an example)

I didnt debate him about it or discuss the merits of those claims. That was not my goal. I truly want to know what the reasons would be to believe her. even if they arent strong enough to sway an opinion after all the facts in, they should be easy to produce.

And with all due respect(i mean that seriously not in a talledega nights sort of way) you seem to be playing word games. You made a statement, then defended it by saying the contentious nature itslef was reason to believe etc. I just wanted the reasons which you claimed their are lots of. You have admittedly said you arent going to provide them for quite some time now, and that is fine, but dont act like you have them all ready to go, but for semantics. no one is trying to trick you semantically, again, I agreed and upvoted your original post and havent downvoted a single thing you have said.

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[–]GenderNeutralLanguag2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Her claim is the claim and that's not reason to believe it. She could have claimed Micky Mouse or Stalin Raped her. No reason at all to believe that either of them raped her, even if she claimed they did.

Aspects of her claim are verifiable. That the claim was against a real person that really exists in proximity to her is a verifiable fact. That this point is true supports aspects that can't be verified. The claim was of rape. It has been verified and is undisputed that intercourse occurred. Again a verified fact that supports aspects that can't be verified. Every piece of her story that can be verified makes the rest of the story more believable.

Her claim is the claim and alone isn't reason to believe her. That her claim in consistent with verifiable facts is reason to believe her. It's worth noting that her claim is also inconsistent with reality in many places and these are reasons to disbelieve her. As a whole her claim is not believable, but there are lots of places where her story does match reality and each one is a reason to believe her.

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[–]bloodshot_eyes 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite. If you look at the SJW reasoning, you will find that they refuse to allow anyone to participate in a group who is not a member of that group. Thus, only black people may speak on black matters, disabled on disabled matters, and so on. What's the biggest cash-cow of the feminist/SJW world? Rape. Thus if you want to participate in the most lucrative sphere; if you want a place on the highest cross on the hill, you must have been raped.

There are some that want it so badly that they're willing to lie in order to obtain the precious social collateral to participate in the rape discussion. Fortunately (for them) they have established a taboo proscribing any and all questioning of the veracity of rape claims, thus making the lie easier to execute.

It's a really fucked-up system they've established.

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